Who do you choose: Kimbo or Brock?
by John McCarthy, The Fight Network
Are they the best MMA fighters on the planet right now? Hell no, but right now they don't have to be. What they need to be right now is entertaining plus they need to be somewhat successful.
The first time I saw Kimbo Slice fight was the same way many of you saw him. It was a backyard fight with some guy known as Big D. He proceeded to knock Big D around a backyard and almost into a large satellite dish, he let Big D take free shots at his chin and then scoff at him like he was child. Kimbo showed he had some stand-up skills, but there was nothing really out of the ordinary besides his colorful commentary and interviewing skills.
Several more backyard brawls took place usually between Kimbo and some poor fool that looked like he wanted to be anywhere but where he was. The Internet started showing the fights and the legend of Kimbo Slice started to grow.
Finally there was a fight set up between Kimbo and Sean Gannon. It was suppose to be shown for a price on the Internet. That was the fight that told me many of the things I needed to know about Kimbo Slice the fighter. Kimbo lost that fight, but it was the way he lost that told me what I needed to know.
He lost because he got tired.
He pushed hard against a big guy who wouldn't back down and eventually the gas went empty in the tank and there was nothing left. That's when I knew that Kimbo could be a good fighter. He kept getting back up when he was gassed and kept trying to win and that said it all. Nothing hurts more in fighting then body shots and exhaustion. It does not matter what technical skill you possess, when you are completely exhausted you are in trouble and Kimbo has now learned this lesson several times.
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Kimbo came into the world of MMA with a win over ex-heavyweight boxing champion "Merciless" Ray Mercer even though that fight was fought as an exhibition fight so it does not show on either fighter's record. He showed that he knew the difference between being a smart fighter and someone who fights another man's fight when he went to the ground with Ray and applied a fight ending guillotine choke. Kimbo then had two fast fights ending in knockouts against Bo Cantrell and Tank Abbott.
Kimbo's last fight against James Thompson gave people reason to believe that Kimbo was not quite as formidable a fighter as many had bestowed upon him after having trouble with Thompson in many areas. He was handled on the ground and was unable to display any true technique in extricating himself from Thompson's lumbering ground and pound attack. Kimbo was pushed into the third round against a fighter that many people predicted would be knocked out in the first round.
What Kimbo lacks right now is experience. He does not have all of the necessary skills needed to compete in MMA at the highest level. He lacks the wrestling skills and the ground skills needed to make him a well-rounded fighter at this time. Kimbo is smart enough to know this and has made Bas Rutten his full-time trainer to help him become a more complete fighter. Give Kimbo some time and I think he can be incredibly good at the sport of MMA, but you need to give him time and that is exactly what Elite XC is trying to do by hand picking Kimbo's opponents very carefully.
Brock Lesnar is a completely different animal. Brock comes from a very accomplished amateur wrestling background that took him all the way to the NCAA Division 1 heavyweight title back in 2001. Brock made a decision after graduation from the University of Minnesota to sign with the WWE and become a professional wrestler. Many people look down on him and say that he should of gone right into the world of MMA without wasting his time doing fake fighting in the WWE. It's a solid sounding argument, but not really a good one. The world of MMA at that time was still floundering trying to be accepted as a legitimate sport and was paying fighters very little. Brock was offered a very sizeable contract to sign with the WWE and would not have made anything close to it if he had decided to go straight into MMA. In fact, Brock's stint as a professional wrestler and champion of the WWE has helped him in getting a contract with the UFC that probably puts him in the top 5 as far as highest paid fighters.
Is Brock a good fighter? Hell yes, he is. He may not be one of the top fighters in the world right now in the heavyweight division, but he can absolutely get there if people just give him a little time. The man is big, strong, fast, and has a great wrestling background that he uses to control the fight. He listens to the people he has installed around him and he will continue to get better from fight to fight. The real problem is he just hasn't had that many fights and with where he is fighting, he is not going to get much time to try out or perfect any new techniques.
Zuffa, at this point, seems hell-bent on trying to push Brock Lesnar along at a break-neck speed. Now I'm not really sure why the UFC would give Lesnar a fight against someone like Frank Mir the first time out, other then to say...welcome to the sport of MMA, Brock. It may not be quite as easy as you think! What happened is Brock came in to talk with Dana White, president of the UFC, and was told that he might be a little too inexperienced for the UFC at that time, but they would love to have him after he got some experience. Brock told them he wanted to fight the best and felt that the best fighters were fighting in the UFC so that's where he wanted to be. Zuffa decided they were not going to make it easy on him as he attempts to make his way up the UFC Heavyweight ladder.
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| Brock Lesnar may be a rising star in UFC, but is he as good as Kimbo? (Derek Hamilton / InsideFighting.com) |
The UFC is not setting up any fights for Brock, they are throwing him into the middle of the pool and saying it's either sink or swim for you. There will be no easy fights for you here and Brock has taken the challenge and used it to fuel him as he works hard to show that he does belong in the world of MMA and is a threat to anyone that steps into the Octagon.
I was very impressed with Brock's performance against Heath Herring at UFC 87, not so much for the way the fight turned out, but for the way Brock took his time and was patient during the fight, not allowing himself to get over extended or caught by a very seasoned veteran like Herring. Brock's ability to control the fight with his wrestling was his key to winning the fight and that is the way it should be right now for him. Use what you are good at and make your opponent fight your fight.
Brock did a lot of really good things during that fight and will only be better in his next fight because of it. Who is Zuffa going to put against him next? Only time will tell, but they are definitely not going to be handling Brock the same way that Elite XC has been handling Kimbo. The UFC has many stars and they don't need to rely on Brock Lesnar winning to keep people watching.
Elite XC is in a different situation with Kimbo. They need Kimbo to keep winning and so far, you have to say Elite XC is doing a good job of trying to build their star by feeding him fights that they feel he will be able to handle. The first fight with Bo Cantrell was a walk in the park for Kimbo as he walked through Cantrell in just 19 seconds. Next up was Tank Abbott, a 42-year-old out-of-shape and slow beyond all reasonable doubt Tank Abbott. Kimbo did his job and took out Tank in just over a minute.
Then came the CBS prime time showcase where Elite needed to use their star, but had to be very careful not to push Kimbo to fast with an opponent that could beat him. That very thing almost happened when James Thompson came in and took Kimbo into the third round.
So what do we have here? Two fighters with a combined total of seven fights between them. Not a lot of experience there, but both have a ton of pressure resting on their shoulders. Brock's pressure is different than Kimbo's. His is more self applied because he wants to prove he belongs. The UFC really doesn't care one way or the other, if he keeps winning and makes himself into a great fighter then it's a win for them. If he doesn't keep winning and finds the world of MMA more difficult than previously thought, the UFC just spins it to look like the pro-wrestler-turned-fighter couldn't cut it. They win either way.
Kimbo's pressure is different. He has a company that is gambling on him to keep winning so they can get viewers interested enough to watch. If he fails, it is not only bad for him, but also for the company he represents. Both of these fighters have big upsides. They are both very competitive and have shown that they are not afraid to go out there and let it all hang out. Both of them are very open to learning and know that there is so much out there for them to learn and then implement into their fight games. In the end, all I know is I look forward to watching each of these athletes continue to compete and mature as fighters because the heights they each obtain are limitless.
Member Comments
Now people lets be real. Brock Lesnar is a professionally trained wrestler and has attained championship status at the amateur level and had a nice little well paid WWE career. Yeah its fake but they also have to learn how to fall and do all the fake stuff to make it look good and that takes effort and conditioning too. Lets call Kimbo just what he is.. a street fighter. No training, no real endurance, just go slug and see who last the longest. I like Kimbo but the man is not prepared for full MMA contests. As everyone saw in the fight prior to his knockout there is no defensive ground game.. he has no take down skills. He is purely a puncher and has a punchers chance in any fight. Personally I think he started the party in the locker room and then they made him fight to get paid. I have seen him take harder blows that that little guy threw and he walked right through them. But make no excuse about it your not looking at a classic well trained elite MMA fighter in Kimbo. Your looking at a raw project. UFC should wise up and bring Brock along slowly. They could have a great superstar on there hands. but that also requires Mr Lesnar to shut his big mouth. Its his big mouth that overloads his rear end and that's probably why UFC has taken the attitude of " let him get his ### kicked.
Sixft4withclass10/14/2008 15:35:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
he has no ground game, and his take down defence sucks
10/7/2008 11:21:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
NCAAFan. Good post.<br /><br />Where are all the Kimbo but buddies now? Kimbo got beat by a guy that got cut from the UFC and is not even a heavyweight!
MMAdude10/6/2008 17:17:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Now there is no debate that Kimbo is waaaaaay overrated! The outcome would have been the same if he fought anyone in the UFC from the same weight class. Elite XC, more like Weak XC.
10/6/2008 17:13:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Now that Kimbo was humilated in only 14 seconds by a second rate UFC light heavyweight, does anyone want to change their opinion now?<br /><br />Kimbo is probably better than he showed last night, but he is nowhere being a contender, and Brock Lesnar is just from his physical prowess alone.
NCAAFBFan10/5/2008 16:38:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
himblo got knocked the ****- out tonight bt a nobody need we say more
10/4/2008 21:28:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
TagzbyTaz- You are nuts. First off if Kimbo fought that Thompson guy in the UFC it would have been stopped. The guy landed 22 straight shots to Kimbo's face. Brock is bigger, faster, and has better endurance. He can strike. Everyone downs the guy because he was in the WWE. People forget this guy was a D-1 heavyweight champ and like a 2 time all american.Kimbo is over hyped but it would be cool to see them fight. Elite Xc is a bum league. WEC is better with my man Faber. UFC and WEC are the best two. Both are owned by the same guy.
Carolina4110/4/2008 17:49:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Kimbo slice vs Ken Shamrock is a joke, its a street thug against a has been. It's on live tv and going make MMA look bad this is the type of **** that sets MMA back a few years. Also Brock would own Kimbo he was a Div 1 heavyweight champ and wrestling is one of the best bases in MMA besides BJJ.
Taz00610/3/2008 22:14:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Brock would kill Bimbo...come on, did anyone watch Bimbos last fight?... He fought a guy whose ears were falling off BEFORE the fight started and who was a last second replacement... That joke had Bimbo by the short hairs and Bimbo can thank the hundreds of others who have flogged that guys ears over the years for the victory...lololololol..... Ken Shamrock?... Damn, my dad is available and he is the toughest guy in my family... Maybe Bimbo should fight him next... Shamrock was finished many years ago.. He collects checks by getting knocked out... Time for a real fight like Brock has been in...Mir and Herring?... solid, tough, REAL competition... Brock could easily be 2-0 after those two .... Mir was in HUGE trouble but Brock didn't know how to finish... I would LOVE to see Brock get on the ground with Bimbo and tie him in knots and submit him like a child... That would happen..
holland7220210/3/2008 19:24:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
brocks gotta be at least 5-6 years younger than himblo as well
9/29/2008 18:12:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Giants49ersLakers4Life- I could not agree more. Kimbo has only beaten cans where Brock has faced top level competition.
MMAdude9/29/2008 16:10:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
kimbo is an exiting fightter who always puts on a good show but lets get real. he will never beat brock even on his best day. what brock has your born with. kimbo just isnt in the same league. but i never miss his fights.
Giants49ersLakers4Life9/29/2008 13:48:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
AND ALL OF YOU HATERS WILL BE TUNING IN TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS!! YEA....YEA!!! THATS PPL LIKE BROCK AND KIMBO are the reason MMA is where it is....well i should say SAYS WHERE IT IS!
9/28/2008 23:15:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
for the life of me I cannot understand why everyone sitting here by their computer desks has so many negative things to say about Brock & Kimbo. They're rookies, meaning they are entering a field against those who have been doing this for years. What do you expect? How many of you popped out of your mamas belly and took off running? There's a process involved and believe me neither one of them want to go into the ring without getting paid, and who can knock them for that. As a black belt holder in tae kwon do & wing chun kung fu, I know that the stand up fighting of Kimbo isn't sufficient and the ground game of Brock isn't sufficient; however they're in their to learn and develop their overall game. Give them a chance, maybe they're not the best ever and probably will never be, but at least they're willing to put their ass on the line and give it a shot. Man vs man!!! So for all you sitting behind keyboards like I am right now, lets not **** on them cause I doubt anyone of you would last a round with either of them. I wouldn't even want to chance it, even though I'm trained and possess the skills/techniques. These guys may not have the techniques down pack just yet, but they're both some freakin beast and I'll be damned if anyone wants to take a hit from either one of them.
omarr12199/28/2008 21:26:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Kimbo would kill Brock. no contest just like Randy is gonna destroy Brock
9/28/2008 18:32:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
coleman was injured training or trying to tie his shoes
9/28/2008 14:32:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
no contest brock by decapitation in 1st rnd
9/28/2008 14:31:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Kimbo is a clown...All he needs is a big red nose and some big floppy shoes. He couldn't hang with the middleweights in the UFC
ElwoodBlues9/27/2008 21:55:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)



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