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Five Thoughts: Big 12 and the little guys
by CFN Staff, CollegeFootballNews.com
Part One: 45-35 (a.k.a. Eh, screw it. Put in USC)
Had the situation been reversed, we would've had the mother of all hissy fits on our hands. Bob Stoops would've gone ballistic ... ballistic. You wouldn't be able to get him off the TV because he'd be screaming and lobbying to anyone who'd listen, and everyone who wouldn't. Politicians would've gotten involved, just like they did in the embarrassing aftermath following the 2006 instant replay controversy at Oregon, and you'd hear screaming and yelling all across Oklahoma about how the Sooners beat the two teams playing in the Big 12 title game.
Instead, OU has to hide behind the weak, "well, you have to count Texas Tech" argument, which has nothing to do with the Texas vs. Oklahoma debate. The one thing Stoops is going by is that his team throttled Tech, but when asked to give the pro-Texas argument, he started out by mentioning that the Longhorns beat his team head-to-head ... done. Over. Texas beat Oklahoma. Texas beat Oklahoma. Texas ... beat ... Oklahoma. If you want to make this a Texas Tech over Texas debate, let's roll, but if this is just about Oklahoma and Texas right now, which it is, then it's over.
If you still want to bring up the Texas Tech side, then at least use your head and be rational about this. It took a dropped interception with 11 seconds to play, and the greatest pass play in the history of Red Raider football, to beat the Longhorns with one second to play. Remember, that was in Lubbock. (You know, the place where Oklahoma lost last year.) That was worse than losing by ten on a neutral field? Also remember that in the three-team equation, Texas didn't get a home game.
So what's the answer, point differential? So what if a team tacked on a garbage time touchdown or two? Oklahoma is better than Texas because it scored 61 on Oklahoma State rather than 54? If that's the case being made, then why not go by the Kansas game? Oklahoma beat KU by 14 at home, and Texas won in Lawrence by 28. Why not go by Texas A&M? OU beat the Aggies by 38, and Texas beat them by 40. You can't do it because it's silly. You don't need to go by a third standard when you have one iron-clad tie-breaker when we're breaking down two teams ... 45-35.
So really, what is the answer? In a case like this, bring in the Big 12 athletic directors and commission to make a ruling. If you're going to use opinions for the tie-breaker, use the people in the know rather than coaches and Harris types who don't know the difference between a Joe Ganz and a Robert Griffin.
No, Oklahoma isn't playing better than Texas right now (remember, defense and special teams are part of the game, too); Texas has won its last three games 129-37. Yes, Oklahoma's offense is putting up ungodly stats, but that's partly because it has to thanks to its mediocre defense. No, it isn't a given that Oklahoma would beat Texas in a rematch. And yes, sadly, the season is now tainted.
In the end, Texas beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. All the bells, all the whistles, and all the 60-point performances can't change that Texas was the better team on that day on the field. If you're arguing for anything else, and if you're going to debate me on this, then you already know what the answer is.
— Pete Fiutak
Bowl season roundup
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Bowl recaps and analysis:
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EagleBank: Wake 29, Navy 19 | CFN
New Mexico: Colo. St. 40, Fresno St. 35
St. Petersburg: S. Florida 41, Memphis 14
Las Vegas: Arizona 31, BYU 21 | CFN
New Orleans: SMU 30, Troy 27 (OT) | CFN
Poinsettia: TCU 17, Boise St. 16 | CFN
Hawaii: Notre Dame 49, Hawaii 21 | CFN
Motor City: FAU 24, Cen. Mich. 21 | CFN
Meineke: W. Virginia 31, UNC 30 | CFN
Champs Sports: Fla. St. 42, Wis. 13 | CFN
Emerald: Cal 24, Miami 17 | CFN
Independence: La. Tech 17, NIU 10 | CFN
Papajohns.com: Rutgers 29, N.C. St. 23
Alamo: Mizzou 30, N'west. 23 (OT) | CFN
Humanitarian: Maryland 42, Nevada 35
Texas: Rice 38, W. Michigan 14
Holiday: Oregon 42, Oklahoma St. 31 | CFN
Armed Forces: Houston 34, Air Force 28
Sun: Oregon St. 3, Pittsburgh 0 | CFN
Music City: Vandy 16, BC 14 | CFN
Insight: Kansas 42, Minnesota 21
Chick-fil-A: LSU 38, Georgia Tech 3
Outback: Iowa 31, South Carolina 10 | CFN
Capital One: Georgia 24, MSU 12 | CFN
Gator: Nebraska 26, Clemson 21
Rose: USC 38, Penn St. 24 | Analysis
Orange: Va. Tech 20, Cincinnati 7
Cotton: Ole Miss 47, Texas Tech 34
Liberty: Kentucky 25, East Carolina 19
Sugar: Utah 31, Alabama 17
International: UConn 38, Buffalo 20
Fiesta: Texas 24, Ohio St. 21 | Analysis
GMAC: Tulsa 45, Ball St. 13
BCS title: Florida 24, Oklahoma 14
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Part Two: 39-33 (a.k.a. Eh, screw it. Put in Utah)
Alright, now let's take this one step further. What if Missouri beats Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game?
Texas will go off to the BCS championship, sliding up from the No. 3 spot, because bleeding hearts like me who bitched and moaned about how the system screwed things up will be heard just enough to make it acceptable for a Longhorns-SEC Champion national championship, even if UT didn't win its own division. After all, Texas lost out because of an opinion, while Georgia last year and Michigan two years ago lost out on the field. However, Texas playing for the national title wouldn't make any more sense than Oklahoma playing in this year's Big 12 title game.
39-33.
If Oklahoma loses to Missouri, then there will be a real, live, clear-cut tie-breaker that doesn't exist now between the three teams in question. If OU loses, then it's a pure two-team argument and not a theoretical three-team discussion: Texas Tech wins, and there's no debate.
If you're going to accept the premise that the Big 12 screwed up by using the BCS rankings to break a tie, then you have put aside your memory of the 65-21 Tech loss at Oklahoma and go by what actually happened on the field. Should Texas Tech play for the national title if Missouri beats OU? I don't think so, I'll probably argue for Utah or even Penn State, at least as far as the deserve factor, but in a two-team battle, Texas shouldn't be in the BCS Championship any more than Georgia of last year because of the head-to-head, 39-33 loss in Lubbock.
The only way Texas should be allowed to play for the title is if Oklahoma beats Missouri in a close game. The uglier, the better for Longhorn purposes. Considering the way Texas blew away the Tigers 56-31 in a game that wasn't really even that close, then the voters might consider moving Texas higher in the rankings. As I've mentioned before, the computer formulas still have to take into account the whole season and could change around at the end meaning the gap could close there, too.
No matter what happens, there will almost certainly be a "yeah, but" attached to this season in some way.
— Pete Fiutak
And Rich Rodriguez couldn't make his system work, why?
When Paul Johnson was hired to replace Chan Gailey a year ago, he was reminded that beating Georgia, which hadn't happened since 2000, needed to be near the top of his to-do list in Atlanta. Johnson knew it. Heck, he'd spent the last few seasons coaching in Annapolis, so the importance of a rivalry game didn't escape him.
On Saturday, the rookie head coach engineered a statement upset of Georgia that will resonate throughout the state, especially during recruiting time. Hey, the Dawgs still have the edge in these parts, but the Yellow Jackets' 45-42 victory in Athens sent a resounding message that the pendulum has slowly begun to shift. For teenagers in the region, going to Georgia Tech no longer means choosing a Plan B, especially if you're a multi-dimensional quarterback or a bruising tailback. The other truth coming out of Atlanta is that you can win in the ACC -- or the SEC -- by running the option. Over the last two weeks, the Yellow Jackets have gashed Miami and Georgia, a pair of pretty good defenses, for 881 yards rushing and 86 points. Oh, and also two important wins that could be launching points into the bowl season and beyond.
When Coach of the Year discussions pop up, Johnson's name gets drowned out by the likes of Nick Saban, Mike Leach, Joe Paterno and others. Too bad. He's done a marvelous job of inheriting less-than-ideal players for his system, and quickly molding them into a dynamite ground game and a nine-win team. There's finally some life back in the Georgia-Georgia Tech rivalry, thanks largely to the arrival of Paul Johnson to the Yellow Jacket program.
— Richard Cirminiello
Have you seen the last two BCS Championships?
I fully understand what motivates bowl games and the committees that run them. Sexy match-ups. No empty seats. Plump television ratings. Like all of us, the balance sheet cannot be ignored by bowl games, which also have bills to pay. Yet, despite being armed with all of that knowledge and a glimpse of what's likely to happen seven days from now, I'll still spend the next week imploring the bowls to step up and make the right decision when it comes to the last true opening among the at-large berths. In other words, do the unconventional and select 12-0 Boise State over 10-2 Ohio State.
Yeah, Ohio State brings instant recognition and a bigger fan base, but it'll also bring a couple of losses and a vanilla program that's been dressed down in its last two BCS bowl games. Boise State is not your typical mid-major, having given the sport one of its most memorable bowl moments ever in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. Wouldn't it be fun to see if they could do it again against another national powerhouse, like Texas. Or better yet, how about Boise State vs. Utah in the only postseason game pairing a couple of unbeatens. Tickets will still sell. Viewers will still tune in. Honest, if you didn't get your degree in Columbus, wouldn't you much rather see the Broncos try to knock off the No. 3 'Horns rather than the Buckeyes get rewarded for a two-loss season?
Boise State is ranked higher than Ohio State in the BCS rankings. The Broncos are one of just four schools without a loss this season. Their win at Oregon is more impressive than anything on the Buckeyes' 2008 resume. They've earned the right to play in one of the five BCS bowl games, even though Utah has already locked down a seat at the table. Now, all it's going to take is one bold committee willing to, er, buck the trend, and extend an invite to the more deserving school. Trust me, you'll be rewarded with a ton of positive publicity from parts well outside of Idaho for such a pioneering decision.
— Richard Cirminiello
You did see the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, right?
Now that Oregon State has lost and given someone else a chance to step into a BCS bowl, it's time to plead for justice in the college football world.
Fiesta Bowl honchos and Sugar Bowl execs, you need to work together to do the horsetrading necessary to satisfy both the little guy and the appetites of the fans who will fill your ballparks, University of Phoenix Stadium and the Louisiana Superdome, in early January.
First, put Boise State in over Ohio State for the last remaining at-large slot.
Second, have Boise State and Utah play in each of your bowls, instead of putting the two teams together in the Fiesta.
The first decision is more important than the second one. A team that goes 12-0, even in the WAC, deserves special consideration for a premium postseason prize. A 10-2 year is a fine year, and the Capital One Bowl (against Georgia) represents a reasonably high-paying bowl for Jim Tressel's Buckeyes, who should relish the chance to play an SEC team and gain some respect for the Big Ten. Ohio residents should have a great time flying down to Orlando. It's not a bad destination for that program.
Boise State might come from a lightweight conference -- no one can deny how brutally Georgia destroyed Hawaii last year -- but the Broncos, after all, are the team that delivered the goods in a BCS bowl, justifying the decision to expand the BCS bowl pool in the first place. If any of the "little guys" in FBS competition deserve a nod in the still very much politicized and tourism-driven world of the bowls, it's Boise State. And if the Broncos get bucked by the SEC runner-up or the Big 12 runner-up, then the WAC will have to go to the back of the line in future years when its unbeaten champion is being considered for a showcase game. For now, Boise State deserves the benefit of the doubt.
On point No. 2, it's almost as important (not quite, but almost) for Utah to play someone other than Boise State. The Utes, after all, were rightfully steamed when, at the end of the 2004 regular season, Urban Meyer's ballclub drew a weak Pittsburgh Panther squad for the 2005 Fiesta Bowl. When America wanted Utah to play Auburn in a super showdown (while USC and Oklahoma battled for that year's controversial national title), the Fiesta Bowl failed to serve the interests of its paying customers in Salt Lake City. This year, Utah -- back in the BCS derby -- deserves to play a name school. Coach Kyle Whittingham will privately fume if his team has to play Boise State, and not a Big 12 or SEC team, in Glendale (or, perhaps, New Orleans).
It's up to you, John Junker (Fiesta Bowl godfather). The ball's in your court, Paul Hoolahan (Sugar Bowl CEO).
— Matthew Zemek
Member Comments
Hello Pete?.<br /><br /> I?d like to address a few of your comments with objective facts and stats.<br /><br />Pete Fiutak - ?Oklahoma doesn't really have a case.?<br /><br />- Sure they do. Have you even bothered to look at these stats:<br /><br />Offensive points scored:<br />OU - 650 UT - 533 Edge = OU<br /><br />Defensive points allowed:<br />OU - 288 UT - 217 Edge = UT<br /><br />Offensive yards per game:<br />OU - 556.67 UT - 476.42 Edge = OU<br /><br />Defensive yards allowed per game:<br />OU - 359.5 UT - 339.92 Edge = UT (barely?.only 5 more yards allowed per quarter by OU)<br /><br />Total rushing yards:<br />OU - 2429 UT - 2123 Edge = OU<br /><br />Total passing yards:<br />OU - 4251 UT - 3594 Edge = OU<br /><br />Margin of victory:<br />OU - 342 UT - 303 Edge = OU<br /><br />Turnover margin:<br />OU - 1.67 (ranked 2nd in the nation) UT - .25 (ranked 45th in the nation) Edge = OU<br /><br />Ranked opponents played:<br />OU - 6 UT - 5 Edge = OU<br /><br />Record against the five common opponents:<br />OU - 5-0 UT - 4-1 Edge = OU<br /><br />Margin of victory against common opponents:<br />OU - 148 UT - 91 Edge = OU<br /><br />Away games against common opponents:<br />OU - 3 UT - 2 Edge = OU<br /><br />Sacks allowed:<br />OU - .92 per game UT - 1.83 per game Edge = OU<br /><br />Total number of home games played (home field advantage):<br />OU - 6 UT - 7 Edge = OU<br /><br />1st place rankings in Big 12:<br />OU - 7 UT - 4 Edge = OU<br /><br />2nd Place rankings in Big 12:<br />OU - 6 UT - 3 Edge = OU<br /><br />1st place rankings nationally:<br />OU - 1 (Scoring Offense) UT - 1 (Sacks) Edge = Tie (debatable though)<br /><br />2nd Place rankings nationally:<br />OU - 2 (Turnover Margin & Passing Efficiency) UT - 1 (Rushing Defense) Edge = OU<br /><br />The BCS computer ranking accounts for 1/3 of the total score and the stats above are exactly the type of stats the computer formula is looking at. By my count the above stats are 15-3 in favor of OU. And, despite your statement to the contrary, OU is the better team, clearly.<br /><br />Pete Fiutak - ?OU has to hide behind the weak, "well, you have to count Texas Tech" argument, which has nothing to do with the Texas vs. Oklahoma debate.?<br /><br />- Of course it does. There?s a 3-way tie in the Big 12 South and TTU is smack dab in the middle of that tie. They have just as much to do with the situation as either OU or UT. After all, they beat UT and got b*tch-slapped by OU. That forever entangles them in this vulgar, screwed up mess.<br /><br />Pete Fiutak - ?You know, the place where Oklahoma lost last year.?<br /><br />- I believe that was either the game where Bradford was injured early or possibly the game following his injury in which he did not play. Hard to play to full potential without your star player.<br /><br />Pete Fiutak - ?Also remember that in the three-team equation, Texas didn't get a home game.?<br /><br /> -Sure they did, in fact for the five common opponents that both OU and UT played, UT had 3 home games while OU had only 2 home games. Advantage = UT.<br /><br /><br />Pete Fiutak - ?So what if a team tacked on a garbage time touchdown or two??<br /><br /> -I?ll assume you?re accusing OU of running up the score by that comment. Please check these stats before making such a blatantly incorrect accusation:<br /><br />OU total points in 1st half: 418 (34.83 per game average)<br />UT total points in 1st half: 277 (23.08 per game average)<br />OU total points in 2nd half: 222 (18.5 per game average)<br />UT total points in 2nd half: 250 (20.83 per game average)<br />OU total points in 4th quarter: 72 (6 per game average)<br />UT total points in 4th quarter: 115 (9.58 per game average and 60% more than OU)<br />Games where OU scored 0 points in 4th quarter: 4 of 12 (33.33%)<br />Games where UT scored 0 points in 4th quarter: 2 of 12 (16.67%)<br /><br />Pete Fiutak - ?Oklahoma beat KU by 14 at home, and Texas won in Lawrence by 28. Why not go by Texas A&M? OU beat the Aggies by 38, and Texas beat them by 40.?<br /><br />- Again, please check your stats before voicing an opinion:<br /><br />Scoring against the five common opponents:<br />OU - +148 points UT - +91 points<br />Also, remember that OU ran 5-0 against these five common opponents while UT came up just a bit short at 4-1<br /><br />Pete Fiutak - ?You can't do it because it's silly?<br /><br />- There?s nothing silly about deciding a tie-breaker based on team stats. In fact, that?s probably the most l
carabiner712/5/2008 16:05:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
While I'd love to see the Buckeyes in a BCS bowl, realistically I'd have to vote for BSU over OSU. The play of the Buckeyes has been hit and miss, and often lack luster all year.<br /><br />If Boise State does get in, I do hope they don't play Utah. While I think that would be an excellent game, that match-up would leave everyone wondering what those programs could do against the powerhouses of other programs. I'd rather see them playing against Alabama and Texas. If they hold their own, win or lose they'll show that these programs do belong in the big games. I'll never forget watching the Broncos beat Oklahoma two years ago. That was the best bowl game of the season, hands down.
Shawnmc212/5/2008 9:21:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
other way around the entire state of utah is 0-life vs BSU NEVER EVER won a single game not utah not byu not utah state, even weber state did i miss anyone?
bsubroncos12/4/2008 21:28:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
bebee gun bsu is o-life vs the entire state of utah! 2-0 vs BYU 4-0 vs utah state most recently bsu traviling to utah and embarassing you at your house 36-3 remember that, utah has never beaten bsu, as a matter of fact not only is every scholl from utah 0-life your whole conf is something like 0-11 vs bsu!!! but im sure they couldnt hang right?
bsubroncos12/4/2008 21:26:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
and if only this season matters and bsu is undefeated and ohio state has two losses isnt no losses better than 2?
bsubroncos12/4/2008 19:52:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
latex, you already showed your knowledge of cfb stating if USC and Oregon State played 100x SC would win the next 99, oregon state has won 2 of the last three games vs SC DONKEY!!
bsubroncos12/4/2008 19:51:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
PS: Let us learn a lesson from the pros this year. look what happened to the Patriots this year. For them last year is history and this year is chaos. It is based on this years talent and strength of schedule and not too much on history. We learn from our past experiences, but we hang our hat on the now.
BCS_Buster12/4/2008 19:32:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Boise fans keep your panty hose on and don't get me wrong. I would love to see the Broncos go to a BCS bowl and bring home the big banana from the sky back home again. The proceeds would be aother big shot in the arm for their school and sports programs. Here is my take why. I don't believe this years team is well balanced enough to face Goliath again. I would much rather see them go play TCU and see how they do with them before we start putting this team into the lions den to get mauled. This is a young team with a still green offensive line needs to be seasoned a little more. It would be a travesty to throw this young frosh (Moore) in over his head before he gets a little more savvy and can learn to do more with his feet. If they face someone like Texas and they take away the passing game goes away then what. Look at what happened to Colt Brennan of Hawaii when they didn't come to play Georgia last year. Hawaii's heart and soul was their passing game, and Georgia took that away. Just let this Boise team nurture on sweet mother's milk one more year before you feed them tough steak. Moore will be back next year and so will that OL let them play little better schools next year and bring them up through those tough Pac Ten trenches or other tough MW teams and then see what their metal is made of. Just my humble opinion GO BRONCOS !!!
BCS_Buster12/4/2008 19:19:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
bsubroncos,<br />Have you even been listening to me? Nothing in the past matters. The history doesn't matter, the stats don't matter. All that matters is this season. Nobody cares what anyone did last year, because we're not playing last year's season. You can't base a team's potency based on what they did in past seasons, only this season matters.
laxfreak512/4/2008 19:03:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
heres a look at the last decade<br /><br /><br />108 Total Number of Wins, the best in the nation.<br /><br />97.0 Home Winning Percentage (64-2 record), the best in the nation.<br /><br />93.3 Conference Winning Percentage (70-5 record), the best in the nation.<br /><br />70 Number of Conference Wins, the best in the nation.<br /><br />60-4 Overall Record in WAC Games, a winning percentage of 93.8%.<br /><br />57 Rushing Touchdowns by Ian Johnson to tie the WAC All-Time Record.<br /><br />53 First Team All-Conference Players (not including 2008).<br /><br />45 Non-Offensive Touchdowns Scored.<br /><br />40.7 Points Per Game Scoring Average, the best in the nation.<br /><br />36 Games played on National Television (30-6 record).<br /><br />31 Straight WAC Wins from 2001-2005, a conference record.<br /><br />31 Straight Home Wins from 2001-2005, a school record.<br /><br />31 Games With 50+ Points.<br /><br />12 NFL Draft Picks.<br /><br />10 Straight Winning Seasons.<br /><br />9 Bowl Appearances (1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008).<br /><br />8 Conference Championships (1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2008).<br /><br />8 10-Win Seasons (1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2008).<br /><br />7 Consecutive Years Ranked in the Top 25.<br /><br />7 Years Ranked in Top 10 Nationally in Scoring Offense.<br /><br />6 WAC Championships in 8 Years in the Conference.<br /><br />6 Undefeated Conference Seasons (2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008).<br /><br />5 Seasons With 11 or More Wins (2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008).<br /><br />5 Bowl Championships (1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2006).<br /><br />5 Quarterbacks to Lead Broncos to a 10-Win Season and Bowl Appearance (Bart <br /><br /> Hendricks, Ryan Dinwiddie, Jared Zabransky, Taylor Tharp and Kellen Moore).<br /><br />5 Seasons Ranked in the Final Top 25 Poll.<br /><br />5 Boise State?s Season Ending National Ranking in 2006, the highest in school history.<br /><br />3 Unbeaten Regular Seasons (2004, 2006 and 2008).<br /><br />3 Seasons Ranked in the BCS Top 10 (2004, 2006, 2008).<br /><br />3 Different Head Coaches to Win a Conference Championship and Bowl Game <br /><br /> (Dirk Koetter, Dan Hawkins and Chris Petersen).<br /><br />2 Running Backs to go over 4,000 Yards Rushing (Brock Forsey and Ian Johnson).<br /><br />1 BCS Bowl Championship (2007 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl).<br /><br />0 Seasons With Fewer Than 8 Wins.
bsubroncos12/4/2008 17:59:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Utah didn't beat a storied program, that's the big reason BSU's getting all the attention. Plus Utah's in guaranteed, the only way the BCS can keep respect is to leave the boring buckeyes out for once. Howmany times have we seen them show up to a national championship game and lullus to sleep?
Riders_of_the_Storm12/4/2008 17:42:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
what is it with people and BSU they were'nt even the first non-BCS school to bust the BCS, let me remind you, it was UTAH!!!!, not BSU
beebegun12/4/2008 17:13:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Josie<br />I would agree with you that Boise St. definitely deserves it, and I wouldn't be very upset if they did get in over the Buckeyes. All I'm saying is that you cannot judge a team by what they did in the past. Ohio State lost to the number 1 team, and the number 3 team. With this, you could make the argument that they are the number 4 team in the country! Do I think they are? Absolutely not. I'm just saying, don't count OSU out if they play an SEC team in a BCS bowl over Boise. Just because they haven't won a game against an SEC team, it doesn't mean they won't this year. Good Luck to Boise St. getting in a decent bowl though! They deserve it!
laxfreak512/4/2008 16:46:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
I dont usually get caught up in this stuff but please Boise State fans get real. If you are as good as you say then figure out a way to join the PAC 10, then if you finish 12 and 0 or 11 and 1 or even 10 and 2 you will have your chance for regular BCS bowl games. You make a lot of claims that I cannot confirm or deny but the facts remain Ohio State has travel well for many many years not just a couple. I would also believe that the BIG 10 is slightly better than the WAC although that is just a guess because I do know much about or hear much about the WAC conference. Someone please tell me again how many WAC teams have won the NATIONAL TITLE???
stewart7146012/4/2008 10:04:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
I live in Boise, and I have to say the fans are worse than Nebraska fans, they win one big game against a pac none team and they think they desreve a shot at the title. The WAC is a joke, there are better high school teams here than half the confrence, oh and they also played one of the worst teams in div. 2. They deserve the Poinsetta bowl against TCU, but not a BCS game.
deadguy97612/4/2008 8:37:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
In years past a 2/3 loss Ohio State or Michigan team has been rewarded with a trip to the Capitol One Bowl, which has a $4.25 Mil payout...not chump change at all. The BCS should do what is ethical fair and right for a change: put Utah in the Fiesta Bowl, have Boise State in the Sugar Bowl, and send the buckeyes to the Capitol One Bowl. The BCS rules can be tweaked. This year, two NON-BCS teams can be in the mix. All the bowls involved would get great fan support from all three teams. Personally, I think that Texas Tech is the team that is REALLY getting hosed this year.
DougFirMan12/4/2008 2:17:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
As far as Ohio State deserving a BCS game over Boise State, I disagree. I don't see how strength of schedule matters if you can't handle it and lose twice. ANYBODY can lose to top 3 teams. Does that make them good? I don't think so. Boise State is more deserving. It's a bad system that puts lower ranked teams in bowl games over higher ranked better teams.
josie412/3/2008 21:03:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Local news is reporting that Ball State has turned down playing Boise State in a bowl game. I guess they would rather take another easier team to ensure a perfect season. No Balls State, step up. It would be an interesting battle of unbeatens. Now it may be a TCU vs Boise State game in San Diego. A rematch of the Fort Worth Bowl where Boise State beat them.
josie412/3/2008 20:55:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
laxfreak5<br />I would say Oregon State beating USC 2 out of the last 3 years blows your argument.
josie412/3/2008 20:51:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
BSU Broncos...<br />You absolutely cannot possibly say Ohio State doesn't deserve a spot in a BCS bowl simply because they got smashed in the last two. Have you even been watching this season? Any team can beat another team if the conditions are right. Oregon State beat USC, so does this mean Ore. St. is better? Hell no! If those two teams played 100 times, USC would probably win 99 of them! Just because Ole Miss beat Florida, is Ole Miss the better team? Absolutely not. Ohio State's only losses came to top 3 teams this year. You can't judge this year's team based on what happened in the past. Go Bucks!
laxfreak512/3/2008 18:42:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
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