Kahn Games
by: Kahn_Games
Do or die time for Mavs and Kidd
Mar 24, 2008 | 6:47AM | report this

In the daily drama As the Western Conference turns, the Dallas Mavericks are the latest team to be in trouble and it isn’t likely to get better any time soon.

Not only did the Mavs blow a 12-point second half lead and lose 88-81 to the San Antonio Spurs Sunday afternoon, but they lost All-Star forward Dirk Nowitzki for what owner Mark Cuban predicted to be two weeks after the game.

With 3:18 left in the third period and the Mavs leading, Nowitzki raced back on a fast break for a brilliant block of Ime Udoka’s drive to the glass. But Nowitzki landed awkwardly on his left leg that crumbled as he hit the floor writhing in pain – suffering a lower leg injury that won’t be detailed until later Monday. He was helped off the floor and attempts to put weight on it heading to the locker room were fruitless.

“I fell awkwardly and my left leg got caught underneath me,” Nowitzki said in a statement released by the team Sunday after the game. “I am going to get re-evaluated in the morning (Monday) and I hope to have more information then.”

Right now, not much information coming from the Mavericks camp is good. Not only did Nowitzki go down after the block, but Tim Duncan got the rebound for the Spurs and converted it into a 3-point play to give the Spurs their first lead of the second half. They never trailed again.

It was the third loss in a row for the Mavericks – all at home - and they have fallen to just a half game ahead of the eighth place Warriors and two games ahead of the ninth place Nuggets. Granted, the losses were to the Lakers, Celtics and Spurs, but this is the first time they’ve lost three consecutive games in Dallas since December of 2004.

More disconcerting is how they have struggled to adjust to the much ballyhooed trade that brought Jason Kidd (plus Malik Allen and Antoine Wright) to Dallas in exchange for Devin Harris, DeSagana Diop, Trenton Hassell, Maurice Ager and retired Keith Van Horn.  The primary reason that some didn’t like the deal for the Mavs was steeped in Kidd’s limited window as a star at 35, and the loss of Diop as a defensive presence inside.

That was supposed to be a big picture issue.

Instead, the snapshot has been far more disconcerting than anyone anticipated.

Seventeen games into it, the Mavericks still aren’t comfortable with Kidd running the point. They are 9-8 overall, but 0-8 against teams with winning records and 3-7 against the West. Instead of being the leader on the floor at crunch time, coach Avery Johnson clearly is prickly about leaving Kidd in the game because of his poor shooting. While he’s always been an erratic shooter, other coaches have always let him play through it because of what he does for everybody else, not to mention his rebounding and defense.

Still, Johnson’s point is reflected by Kidd shooting 3-of-10 Sunday and 4-of-21 with 10 total points the past three games – his 21 assists in the three games notwithstanding.

His uneven playing time has ostensibly become a particularly sore subject between Johnson and owner Mark Cuban, who spent a fortune for the deal – coaxing Van Horn out of retirement for a ludicrous $4 million just so the salary cap figures could work - and then there is the forthcoming luxury tax. Money isn’t the issue here, though … winning is.

During one stretch Sunday as the game was slipping away, Johnson didn’t even have a point guard in the game, and after a timeout, brought in recently signed free agent Tyronn Lue instead of Kidd. It didn’t help matters any, and just brought more attention to Kidd’s ineffectiveness thus far.

On the other hand, without Nowitzki, it may very well force Johnson to play smaller and faster which should play into the strength of Kidd. Can he afford to play 6-7 Josh Howard and 6-5 Jerry Stackhouse up front together for the bulk of games against the big front lines in the West – becoming dependent on zone defenses and center Erick Dampier? Certainly the three inches Devean George has on Stackhouse for defense and rebounding doesn’t give them much more comparing the overall impact of the two players. And that also translates into Jason Terry, all 6-1 of him, playing most of the game with Kidd in the backcourt if Stackhouse moves up front more often.

Or perhaps he’ll just remain conventional with young power forward Brandon Bass or the aforementioned Malik Allen starting in place of Nowitzki. They’ll have to play both forward and center at least some of the time anyway.

Seven of the final 12 games are on the road for the Mavericks, including three of the next four. At 44-26, they are on the brink either way you look at it. With the precarious advantage over the streaky Warriors and Nuggets, both of whom won close games against playoff-bound teams on the road Sunday, the good news is two of the next four games for the Mavs are against the battered and lowly Clippers. On the flip side, the other two are huge games at Denver and Golden State that will have enormous playoff ramifications. Add to that, the Lakers, Suns and another game with the Warriors during this two-week stretch, their fate may be decided before Nowitzki returns.

On the heels of blowing the 2-0 lead in the Finals of 2006 and the incredible first-round loss to the eighth-seeded Warriors last season as a top seed, the hangover has been palpable all season. The Mavs won 67 games last season, including 31-10 on the road. They are 15-19 going into this week away from home and light years behind last year’s team-record pace with essentially the same core team as a year ago.

It may be just a touch too early to refer to the Kidd deal as a panicky move that will necessitate other moves in the offseason … but not by much.

Now they’ve lost three in a row in Dallas and Nowitzki, presumably for an extended period of time. It’s time for Johnson to let Kidd prove his leadership and in many ways justify the trade. The possibility of them slipping out of the playoffs isn’t likely, but it certainly is very real.

Should that occur, the wrath of Cuban won’t be far behind and the Mavericks as we have known them the past 5-6 years may very well be history.

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nba is the worst
Mar 24, 2008
7:19 AM
Good Morning Mr. Kahn,

With the Nuggets playing their best on the road this season and the Mavs losing at home after playing poorly on the road this season, to me it looks like the Mavs will end up 9th and out...

Ah, the TOUGH LIFE of basketball millionaires!

Hoffman
Mar 24, 2008
7:40 AM
I'm not a fan of Avery Johnson's.

His decision to double team Shaq at every opportunity in the 2006 NBA Finals cost Dallas the championship.

His decision to attempt to play small ball vs. the Golden State Warriors in 2007, gave GS a psychological edge that Dallas never recovered from.

He may be a good motivator but he's not an X's and O's coach.

Last edited by Hoffman on March 24th at 7:41 AM.

Spurcse
Mar 24, 2008
8:53 AM
People keep wondering if Avery is in danger of losing his job. I seriously doubt that at this point, but I do have to wonder about something.

Whose idea was it to trade for Kidd? Was it Cuban's or was it Avery's? If it was Avery's, will that count against him with his boss? And were they in full agreement once they decided on it?

If it was Cuban's idea, will he accept that perhaps he was wrong and give Avery the benefit of the doubt will he feel that Avery did not use Kidd correctly?

I wonder sometimes how much on hand owners influence the acquiring of players, and how much accountablity they take when it goes wrong.

Last edited by Spurcse on March 24th at 8:54 AM.

OtraVes2
Mar 24, 2008
8:55 AM
it was kobe's idea to trade for kidd.

ElGalloGigante
Mar 24, 2008
9:30 AM
If it's not (that) broken, don't fix it. The Kidd trade is not only hurting Dallas now, it's going to hurt them in the future. Devin Harris was only getting better, so why would they think their chances were decreasing when they brought back the same team with more experience playing with one another?

This was a knee-jerk move by Cuban.

DashCon
Mar 24, 2008
10:52 AM
i forecast a dead heat for 8th between the Mavs and the Nuggets. The Nuggets are so inconsistent that you wont be surprised if they blow this golden opportunity to get in the playoffs. with 2 all-stars and the defending DPY, you would think they are a shoo-in.

Jem
Mar 24, 2008
10:55 AM
Best wishes to Dirk for a speedy recovery. No one likes to see a player go down like that, even a Spurs fan like me. I hope he is back for the playoffs.

BleedPRPL&GLD
Mar 24, 2008
11:10 AM
I agree with Jem, I don't like to see anyone lose games due to injury. I don't think getting Kidd was a good move either...Harris gave them the quickness needed in the west to deal with all the speedy point guards. Their record since the trade speaks volumes. Thanks to Mitch Kupchak for NOT pulling the trigger for Mr. Triple Double. (He ended up making the steal of the year instead!) Bynum's upside was on display earlier this season, and I hope he can prove it was legit come playoff time.
Get well soon Dirk.
It says a lot about the depth of the west if the team with the best record LAST year doesn't even QUALIFY for the postseason THIS year...what a ride.

LAKE-SHOW.

Last edited by BleedPRPL&GLD on March 24th at 11:13 AM.

Lincoln Six Echo
Mar 24, 2008
11:11 AM
I'm just a Mavs fan & not very good with basketball jargon, but I don't think the Kidd deal is hurting Dallas as much as some of the media is making it out to. I think Avery's got to try and adjust the team more to the way Kidd plays. I mean look at how Dampier has performed since Kidd got there.

As for Dirk with the ankle sprain, & hope that's all it is, it's gonna be tough for them to cope with, but how come I don't hear pple comparing them to the Houston Rockets, when Yao went down. How do we know their not gonna make a short run to keep their playoff spot.

BakerBigB
Mar 24, 2008
11:13 AM
Here's wishing Dirk a speedy recovery. The playoffs wouldn't be the same w/o the Mavs. That being said I see the Mavs squeezing by the Nuggets by a game. The game Thursday between them will go a long way toward determining that. Kidd is going to have to take this team home. They have enough talent to do it but is their chemistry shot? I saw a news report about an argument between Cuban and Avery. What's with that?

Last edited by BakerBigB on March 24th at 11:17 AM.

maconator77
Mar 24, 2008
11:17 AM
The Mavericks will slip out of the playoffs unless Josh Howard can step up and start delivering like after he did when he didn't get selected to the All-star game. I don't think he has it in him and Kidd can't do much alone either when bad news comes up. If the Mavericks do stay in the playoffs they will be in the 8th spot.

This opens the door for the Nuggets.

thebestthereiswasnwillbe
Mar 24, 2008
11:29 AM
The Mavs will fold in the playoffs, watch. i love jason kidd, but i watched three games with him now, and they dont seem to be looking for a pass from him. and it looks like he's hesitant to unleash passes til they look and that's slowing him down.
Dirk's injury will be shortlived he's always recovered fast so this wont matter to much, but i still think they fold in the playoffs this year.

Becky50
Mar 24, 2008
11:34 AM
This is Awesome -- Great the Mavericks have lost 3 in a row. GO SPURS!!!!

UHMMMM George holds up the trade for Jason "NO" Kidd & now they sign him. Too Funny!!

Now the Mavericks are out with Dirk -- This is soooo GREAT!!

GO SPURS!!! ALRIGHT!!

thebestthereiswasnwillbe
Mar 24, 2008
11:39 AM
i love avery johnson... as an assistant coach.

your absolutely right about him and to point blaim at him is justified.

plus Dirk is a choke artist so that doesnt help either. he'll be back quick he always heals quick.

my biggest concern for this team is this, theyre not responding to Jason Kidd yet... when you have a jason kidd on your team you have to always be looking for the ball because you never know when he thinks your open... too many turnovers from josh howard and jason terry because they werent expecting the pass...

this team has no hope.

ramogriff
Mar 24, 2008
11:44 AM
anyone who has watched Cuban(Jerry Jones Jr) over the past few seasons know that he would possibly sale his soul for a ring. he gave up way too much for Kid and if they don't get it done, he should own up to it and leave Avery alone. Now, about Dirks injury, I hate it happened, but at the same time, leave the excuses out of it. They still have an allstar to lean on and he has to step up.

NappyGator
Mar 24, 2008
11:53 AM
Sorry you were injured Dirk. Hope you are mo better soon..I am a Magic fan (no smirking), but the Mavs are my next best team to watch. I dont get the kidd thing either. But, if you need another player like Kidd, we got a real Rican, named Carlos. He cant shoot either, but they got matching shiny heads !! Mavs can have him for $2m.

I apologize for the guy thinks hes the best will ever be. Not really. Guess you are a another boring (just like the team) Spurs fan. Yes Tim Duncan is good but I saw D Howard dunk on Duncan live. Not Boring !!! Mavs are exciting to watch, Cuban is accountable and Avery is intense. Again sorry you are injured Dirk !! Spurs and the Lakers bite..

Last edited by NappyGator on March 24th at 12:23 PM.

mistershoes
Mar 24, 2008
12:09 PM
I agree with Lincoln Six about the Kidd trade. I don't think it's hurting Dallas as much as everyone thinks. For some reason the media seems to have a vendetta against older players... I think the problem Kidd hasn't done well in Dallas is because A. Johnson isn't willing to give up enough control of the offense to give Kidd the room he needs to be successful. It would be valuable for Avery to learn not to micromanage.

jiggaman2005198
Mar 24, 2008
12:11 PM
Not to downsize anyone else's contribution to the Mavs production...but the Mavs will probably lose the next few games without Dirk. Say what you want about his heart and will, the fact is he brings 20+ points and 7+ rebounds EVERY night. That's irreplaceable...especially in such a tight conference.


As for the Kidd trade...it was not a smart move. I wish I could be a billionaire and "play" owner for 5 years. In all seriousness though, Cuban has been a Godsend for this franchise. Look where he's brought them from and what he's been able to accomplish in his time there. 8 years ago, there was not even a market for bball in Dallas. They practically GAVE tickets away. The Indoor soccer team (Sidekicks) drew more of a crowd than the professional bball team. And now they have a baller-#### arena and are consistently at the top of the league year in and year out. That being said...you don't trade away your youth (TALENTED youth at that) for an aging veteran who doesn't mesh with the team. Yes, his passes look good, but they just don't fit right now. I wouldn't have been oppposed to this trade in say, November...but come on...its March. The timing was completely screwed and now they're paying for it. I hope they can make it to the playoffs, but even if they do, I can't see them making a serious run at the title.

Nice article Mr. Kahn. I always look forward to your objective view.

Last edited by jiggaman2005198 on March 24th at 12:14 PM.

NightCrawler
Mar 24, 2008
12:14 PM
I may be late on this one, but the mavs or the rockets will now not make the playoffs. The nuggets know what they have to do now PLAY DEFENSE, its just too much fire power in the west, now if the mavericks can win half of there games and get a HEALTHY dirk back before the last couple of games they have a chance. But lets be honest dirk is a ok player (shouldnt have gotten MVP last year but whatever) I would really like to see the nuggets in the playoffs but someone will suffer.

Thorsif
Mar 24, 2008
12:18 PM
I feel bad for Dirk also but it's all about the Lakers anyway! Go Kobe!

NightCrawler
Mar 24, 2008
12:21 PM
I agree Thorsif, you never want to see anyone get hurt. But this year its all about those lakers, but if the mavs dont make the playoffs avery may want to be concerned about this future. We all know how cuban is (rich spoiled brat) but he did drop the ball with the trade for jason kidd, I know he is a hall of famer no doubt. But in today game you need speed devin harris was that speed who people like tony parker hated to play against. also all the mavs fans may want to send devon george some flower and chocolate if not for him the trade would have been worse, letting stackhouse and george go. Just think what could happen if that would have went through and dirk got hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FarToPlay
Mar 24, 2008
12:22 PM
JEEZ..what bad timing for the mav's .. and no NBAlover5, i havent' seen sweetimplants.com ?? let me check it.. whoaa. trying to get me in trouble with the old ball and chain.. i'll bookmark it and check it out later tonight.... LOL

ramogriff
Mar 24, 2008
12:27 PM
I wouldn't put the Nuggets in just yet, we have to see what the Mavs do. They still have a good core nucleus and we all know how Denver has the ability to score 120 while giving up 130. thats not a team you should count on until they show something different. Also, don't throw dirt on the Rockets just yet.

Thorsif
Mar 24, 2008
12:40 PM
ramogriff you hit it on the mark. A lot of people seem to jump off and on the Rockets bandwagon. I would never throw dirt on a team that won 22 straight but I do have my shovel near by. We also don't know whose to blame for the Kidd trade but if someone were to get the blame it has to be Cuban. He gets the final say on any trade, right?. Kidd's a good player but not worth what they gave up in players and cash. They'll be hurting for years now. Go Lakers!!!

NickGranite
Mar 24, 2008
12:44 PM
Hmmm, wonder if Cuban should have kept Nash?

ramogriff
Mar 24, 2008
12:52 PM
yeah, it's all on Cuban and no, he shouldn't have traded Nash and thats why he will not win a ring no time soon. he needs to learn to step away and let the professionals work. not try to make moves for the sake of making moves.

9InchGnome
Mar 24, 2008
12:58 PM
I stated prior that the Kidd trade was a poor move on Dallas' part and with the loss of Nowitski gone for a minimum of three games this not only kills their chances of title hopes but may very well take them out of the playoffs all together. They have little defense and now are at best just above par on offense compared to the rest of the league. This is not gonna cut it w/ the games remaining and the teams they will face. Given that, this has been by far the most interesting NBA league season in years and can't wait for the drama to unfold in the playoffs.

NickGranite
Mar 24, 2008
1:06 PM
That was a rhetorical question ram, 2 MVPs and an all-star season later, of course he should have kept Nash. Guards who average 11 assists and 50% field goal shooting don't grow on trees. Cuban has tinkered with this team right out of contention.

str82th
Mar 24, 2008
2:02 PM
Avery Johnson is a good defensive coach, but a poor offensive coach. The Mavs did well in 2006 and 2007 with the Nelson influenced offense, and the Johnson influenced defense. As the Nelson influence has faded, so have the Mavs. There is no movement in the offence. Players must create their own shot rather than the offence creating the opportunity. The only time Kidd helps is on the fast break when he is free to create. Avery's offence is too restrictive for Kidd to have much of an impact. Johnson needs to remember there is not much difference between a missed shot and a turnover. There have been a lot of missed shots. The offence is very predictable. Kidd's value is to make the offence less predictable. Yes, this means more turnovers, but should produce better shooting percentages. This means more fun for the players and the fans.

un4gvn
Mar 24, 2008
2:02 PM
About 16 games ago Tony Parker commented that he was happy that the trade happened and that the Spurs now matched up better with Dallas. Every sports media ran his comments and basically cruxified him for mouthing such blasphemy against J Kidd. It's amazing how things have changed. Everyone can now see the mistake the trade was, and Harris will continue to thrive in Jersey. By the way, for those of you who don't know, Devin was sitting at the end of the bench until Greg Popovich told Avery to get him off the bench. Popovich was the one who saw his potential. Anyway back to point. The Suns are finally figuring out Shaq, the Mavs should have been figuring out Kidd by now.

Dirk, I really hope you can come back and that the Mavs can stay in the picture. There are few series that are as entertaining as the Spurs and Mavericks. Duncan vs Dirk, Harris...Sorry, Kidd vs Parker, Bowen vs anyone who's hot, Manu vs Stack (that's a new one), and Finley vs the entire city of Dallas (no hating, we know Dallas still shows love for Fin). If that series happens, you can expect no game differential greater than 5 points, a bunch of T's, a couple flagrants, one shot to the nads, and at least one suspension.

I hope it happens.

wpix
Mar 24, 2008
2:31 PM
Nowitzki out for 3 weeks or so? Forget it, it is over for Dallas. With that type of injury, Nowitzki will not be the same player when he does come back.

Tough times ahead for the Mavs, wait and see.

1193cobra
Mar 24, 2008
3:16 PM
Hey Mark,
You never should have gotten rid of STEVE NASH! What a big MISTAKE. You would have had a title under your belt by now.He knew the thoughs of the other players and is still the best in the league as a motivator and 3 point shooter in a pinch.He was always there to make the play when you neededone.Even if it meant taking a bad hit to get the offensive foul call.He played when he was sick and hurt.You won't find a more dedicated player than him anywhere.Ever.

ATOWNCLOWN
Mar 24, 2008
3:38 PM
I live in Dallas, so I've always been a fan. There were some TOUGH years, but I'd rather go through them again, then have Cuban as the owner. The only thing he's good for is money. He hurts the team more than Avery's blowing his inheritance o####ood team. I wouldn't have made that trade. I didn't expect them to win anytime soon, but another year or two and they could have made a good run with Harris. Since the trade, I thought if they could gel towards the end, they could ride the momentum, but Dirk's injury will blow that.
By the way, Dirk is a good player, when he plays team ball. When he forces it, he stinks. AND NEVER give him the last shot....EVER. His injury may bring the rest of the team together. You never know.

x2mentornyet
Mar 24, 2008
4:22 PM
B Y E B Y E DALLAS if they had any chance of doing any thing at all well now it's all over sorry CUBAN now go SMOKE your pole .


GO LAKERS.

x2mentornyet
Mar 24, 2008
4:24 PM
LA vs BOS FINALS


LAKERS WILL WIN IN 5 .

x2mentornyet
Mar 24, 2008
4:25 PM
BECAUSE BOS IS NOTHING BUT A WORTHLE$$ GREEN MONSTER KINDA LIKE SHREK .

NightCrawler
Mar 24, 2008
4:28 PM
For everyone that is saying cuban should have never traded Nash, let me be the first to say, HE DIDNT KNOW!!!!!!! Did any of you crackheads know that nash would turn out to get 2 MVP (which kobe should have gotten one honestly, back to the point) Your always going to second guess a decision and sometimes it works out sometimes it doesnt. Now the first trade was he didnt know the second sending Devin Harris to Jersey was ALL cuban fault, now he is going to watch the playoffs from his living room (although it will probably be a 72in plasma) holla at your boi cuban.

Minigirlsports.fan
Mar 24, 2008
4:50 PM
I cannot believe that Mark Cuban is dating with a woman who's ten years older than him. They met at a 30+ dating site called meetwealthyboomer.com*******

which is my favorite site

pwmaverick
Mar 24, 2008
4:52 PM
The only good to come of this is that the Mavs will get to keep their lottery-protected pick this year that was included in the king's ransom they gave NJ for Kidd.

triciaburdett172
Mar 24, 2008
4:59 PM
I am sorry for what happened to that jerk on the t wolves basketball team, because they STINKS, Cicago Bulls should beat his butt, hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited by triciaburdett172 on March 24th at 5:03 PM.

txlastrebel
Mar 24, 2008
5:51 PM
I said over two weeks ago that Dallas would not be making the playoffs. I still stand by that. Dirk or no Dirk

blueskybluesguy
Mar 24, 2008
7:52 PM
Not many teams have the opportunity to win back to back championships. The Mavs had the team and the dominant position for two years and blew it both times. They won't get another chance in this decade. The Nowitski era will play itself out over the next few years with the Mavs fighting for a playoff spot and never coming close to a conference final again.

InnocentBystander
Mar 24, 2008
7:52 PM
I said over THREE weeks ago that Dallas would not be making the playoffs. I still stand by that. Dirk or no Dirk

Baller82
Mar 24, 2008
7:58 PM
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Baller82
Mar 24, 2008
7:58 PM
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OtraVes2
Mar 24, 2008
8:52 PM
Three Weeks, Three days ago.

aggies11
Mar 24, 2008
9:46 PM
Becky50, it's fans like you that are the reason I don't like the San Antonio Spurs; too many of you just ruin the game for the rest of us. Not to mention that their GM is a 'tard; look at the way Luis Scola and Leandro Barbosa are playing. They could have had those players for a long time. I highly doubt you'll be able to squeeze out more than one more championship with Tim Duncan(he's only getting older).

Anyway, Avery Johnson(an ex-Spur) needs to get over his ego and just hand the offense over to Jason Kidd; the man took the frickin' Nets to the NBA Finals!! I don't think anybody else could've pulled that out of NJ. Kidd's got even more talent in Dallas, so I see no reason why this team shouldn't be able to turn it around in the last few weeks of the season(assuming Dirk isn't out more than 2 weeks).

Go Mavs

mattm5150
Mar 24, 2008
11:42 PM
At the risk of sounding like a ####, I think it's karma for the Kerilenko thing. I wondered when that happened if players injure someone with a flagrant, shouldn't the suspension be as long the injury to the other player keeps them out of games? Though, I guess this injury is much worse then Andrei's was. So nevermind, I guess.

Sorry Mavs fans, I think your boys are done, barely alive and floundering after the Kidd deal with Dirk IN the line-up, what's going to happen now? I just don't think they're deep enough (after trading away all their depth and size to get Kidd) to stay afloat and "rally" while their star is down. Looks like the Nuggets will make it in after all.

elwood4
Mar 25, 2008
3:32 AM
mavs will never get ring with a. j. as coach

kreillen
Mar 25, 2008
5:10 AM
I see you fools don't know basketball a.j. is an wonderful x and o coach his problem is this roster dirk is soft, josh howard has lamar odom syndrome, dampier is well lets be honest he is a waste of flesh. cuban should have got rid of dirk after his "MVP" season ( like avery told him to, veteran point guards know their personel)everyone doubled shaq and a.j.'s smallball didnt' do the mavs in nelly knew they were soft and he used that to his advantage dirk is a loser he is a well behaved starbury lots of talent but a loser still....ONE

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