Q&A: Playing Odom off the bench could help Lakers
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Adding Ariza to the starting lineup greatly increases the Lakers' speed, quickness and defensive pressure. Also, Ariza doesn't need the ball to play well.
Once Odom calms down and leaves his ego in his locker, he'll see that the move is best for him and best for the Lakers.
Do you think that the currently constituted Knicks will have any success playing Mike D'Antoni's fast-break, quick-shooting style? Without a Steve Nash-type point guard, and a roster full of quick, athletic, sharp-shooting complementary players, I think the Knicks are doomed to fail. What's your take? Harley Chosen (not my real name), Virginia Beach, Va.
I couldn't agree more. The relevant question, though, is how much D'Antoni will adjust his game plan to match the abilities of the players on hand. Quentin Richardson thrived under D'Antoni's guidance when their paths crossed in Phoenix. Jamal Crawford should also be a good fit in D'Antoni's system. Ditto for David Lee, Mardy Collins, Jared Jeffries (when he returns to action), Chris Duhon, Winston Chandler and Nate Robinson. Even Stephon Marbury (is he still around?) would be an acceptable fit, but only if he embraced the possibility of either playing the shooting guard and/or coming off the bench.
However, even if all the above players are capable of running and gunning, the Knicks lack the requisite talent to qualify for the playoffs.
And what to do with Jerome James (a certified stiff), Zach (Mister Me) Randolph and Eddy (Bigfoot) Curry?
Given that D'Antoni system produced a 14-36 record during his abbreviated stint in Denver (1990-91), it says here that Nash was the prime mover in whatever success the Suns had during D'Antoni's tenure in Phoenix.
Since there's nobody on the Knicks' roster who can manage even a bad imitation of Nash, D'Antoni will most likely modify his system to some extent. Trouble is, D'Antoni might turn out to be a one-trick pony.
Still, if the Knicks will certainly be more entertaining (at least on the court) than they were during the lost Isiah years, they'll also be on a fast track to nowhere.
Charley, I love your column and respect your roundball mind more than any other analyst. After reading your article on the best 2-way players, I was wondering who you think were the worst defensive players? Damien Rosenstock, New York, N.Y.
A good question, but for the sake of brevity I'll confine my list to front-line players.
Pete Maravich was perhaps the worst defensive player in NBA history. His challengers would include Don Nelson, Tom Heinsohn, Bob Cousy, Cazzie Russell, Elgin Baylor, Dolph Schayes, Connie Hawkins, Rudy Tomjanovic, Jimmy Walker, Doug Collins, Bob McAdoo, Fred Brown, George McGinnis, Joe Bryant, World B. Free, Freeman Williams, George Gervin, John Drew, Tom Chambers, Magic Johnson, Joe Barry Carroll, Orlando Woolridge, Kelly Tripucka, Walter Berry, Wayman Tisdale, Chris Mullin, Glen Rice, Dell Curry, Chris Webber, Rony Seikaly, Sam Cassell, Glenn Robinson, Toni Kukoc, Vin Baker, Keith Van Horn, Jalen Rose, Eddy Curry, Lee Nailon, Rodney Rogers, Zach Randolph, Peja Stojakovic, Brad Miller, Vladimir Radmanovic, and so on and on and on...
Why wasn't Larry Bird included on your list of best 2-way players? Hoosier Buddy, Boston, Mass.
Because he was a below-average one-on-one defender. For sure, his remarkable instincts and basketball IQ eventually made him a solid team-defender, but he could rarely avoid being embarrassed by any of the accomplished scorers who looked to take him.
Without using any statistics, could you evaluate and compare Chris Paul, Bob Cousy and Magic Johnson? Bill, Chapel Hill, N.C.
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| Chris Paul may end up being one of the NBA's best-ever point guards, but he has a long way to go. (D. Clarke Evans / Getty Images) |
Magic, of course, was the biggest and strongest by a huge margin. Because he could score in the low-post, he was also the most versatile. Give Magic a similarly wide edge in getting to the hoop and finishing, in not getting derailed when hit, in rebounding, in being able to maintain his court vision under heavy defensive pressure and in his off-hand handle.
Cousy was the second white player to perfect the behind-the-back-dribble Bobby Davies was the first, and at least two generations of Harlem Globetrotters were the innovators and he used this technique to full advantage. His ability to see the court and deliver precise passes on the run ranks him ahead of Paul but behind Magic in these categories.
CP3 is by far the quickest and even though Magic developed a one-handed push-shot late in his career, Paul was the better shooter, with Cousy a distant third.
Neither Paul nor Cousy were terrific finishers, but the former has a better variety of pull-ups and flips. It should be noted, however, that if Cousy had played in the modern era, he most likely would have developed the same kind of in-the-lane releases.
Even though Magic was an inferior defender, Cousy was even worse. Largely on the basis of his ball-sniping, that makes Paul the leader here.
All things considered, Magic is figuratively and literally head-and-shoulders above Paul and Cousy. In fact, given his pitiful defense, inadequate shooting and slowness afoot, Cousy I doubt would be capable of playing in today's NBA.
You always seem to give preference to the physical American players over finesse European players. But now that we've seen Team USA struggle to win international competitions, do you still doubt that a team of the best "soft" non-American players could win an NBA championship? Daniel, London
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| Yao Ming would anchor a hypothetical all-international team. (Garrett Ellwood / Getty Images) |
The most likely candidates for an all-international squad of NBA players would include Yao Ming, Manu Ginobili, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Leandro Barbosa, Andris Biedrins, Andrew Bogut, Pau Gasol, Peja Stojakovic, Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Luol Deng, Boris Diaw, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Francisco Garcia, Andre Kirilenko, Eduardo Najera, Andres Nocioni, Mehmet Okur and Tony Parker. (For the sake of clarity, Raja Bell and Tim Duncan, who were born in the Virgin Islands, are not eligible.)
Of these, only Najera and Nocioni would be considered physical players.
Could these guys beat the Celtics in a seven-game series?
Let's say that the starters would be Yao, Nowitzki, Deng, Ginobili and either Parker or Nash with some combination of Gasol, Nocioni, Najera, Barbosa, Parker/Nash, Kirilenko, Okur and Ilgauskas coming off the bench. They'd certainly be deep, quick and versatile enough to overcome the Celtics.
Still, because of their incredible defense, I'd pick the Celts in seven games.
Would these guys have won the gold in Beijing?
Because of their defense and strength, I'd pick Team USA in quadruple overtime.
As for non-NBA internationals, being competitive in a 10-day tournament is one thing, but I just don't see enough foreign players with the combination of power and talent to survive the grueling NBA season without breaking down.
I find it amusing when I read the numerous bloggers who respond to your articles with virulent negativity. So much of what I read and hear from so many fans makes me wonder just how deeply they watch the games. What are the biggest factors that limit the way that today's NBA fans evaluate players and games? Roy, Chicago, Ill.
The mere act of eyeballing (in person or on the tube) countless NBA games does not necessarily make a fan an expert.
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In the end, however, hoop-o-philes of every persuasion deserve immense credit for being passionate about the greatest sport and the greatest athletes in the world.
Member Comments
Trade D'Oh-dom. He's not the answer at small forward. Neither is Walton or Radmanovic. All three are garbage. If Odom hasn't realized his full potential by now, he never will. Kupchump made a mistake in not making the move for either Artest, Smith, or Marion. Plus, he let Posey sign with the Bugs. Now, the Lakers are over the cap with undeserving players getting millions. If only Kupchump would have kept Caron Butler and sent Odom packing. As far as Bill's Boy and the Space Cadet are concerned, making way too much not to produce. And Sun Yue is not the answer at point guard either. Take out the trash, Mitch!
10/11/2008 19:05:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
I think Odom would be a good lead player for our second Squad with Farmar, the Machine, Rodmonivic & Mimms or whoever at center
10/11/2008 12:24:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
lakerz24, THANK YOU!<br /><br />This is what I've been trying to tell others for so long. You don't have to agree, but Rosen knows what he's talking about and is far from being stupid. He's easily the most entertaining writer on this site anyway.<br /><br />And if any of you disagree and think it's easy to write articles, submit some to Foxsports.com and see what happens to your attempts at fully developing your sports thoughts on paper. Lol.
10/8/2008 19:10:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
ARE YOU CRAZY BADD!!! rondo's jumpshot is improving plus his offensive abilities inside the paint and smart passes give him an easy advantage over euro players, plus the guy is right, defensively the celtics would shut down the euro offense inside the paint and they would have to open up perimeter game and the celtics would just crash the boards and rebound
cameron110310/8/2008 6:47:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
WoW Celtics beat these guys, Um All-Star level guys vs Celtic bench lets think about this.<br /><br />Yao, Nowitzki, Deng, Ginobili, Parker, Nash, Gasol, Nocioni, Najera, Barbosa, Kirilenko, Okur and Ilgauskas.<br /><br />Top 10 dumbest things ever written by sports writer.<br /><br />Celtics starting point guard can barely shoot and the bench would be outscored 35 to 10 every game lol!!!
10/7/2008 19:54:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Celtics over these guys LOL.<br /><br />Yao, Nowitzki, Deng, Ginobili, Parker, Nash, Gasol, Nocioni, Najera, Barbosa, Kirilenko, Okur, and Ilgauskas.<br /><br />WOW top 10 dumb things ever said by sports writer.
10/7/2008 19:49:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
The Lakers can do what ever they want to do with Odom. <br /><br />Or any other player; but until they learn to play Team Defense they are not going to win the Championship.<br /><br />Guess what they are'nt going to learn how..<br /><br />Celtics made Koby look human and over-rated. Pierce played how Koby is supposed to.<br /><br />And the league noticed Lakers will not make finals this year.
10/7/2008 19:45:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
i like that phil is talking about using lamar as the 6th man...so long as it's just a tactic to get odom back into game shape in a hurry.<br /><br />the bench mob has scorers already and farmar can lead that crew. ariza is our 6th man.<br /><br />if they put him in the starting lineup, every defense is going to double off him but they have to respect lamar's abilities everywhere on the court....i hate this idea.
johnnyrocketeer10/7/2008 15:42:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Typo-fever strikes again. Sorry everyone.
10/7/2008 11:25:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
Please "TiTanFans2008", no more gibberish about whatever it is you're selling. BTW, I thinnk we may see Lamar at the point tonight vs. Utah. Remeber, he won't have to gaurd Williams, just get by him on offense. This will create switching and match-up problems for the opposition. Go Lakers!
10/7/2008 11:24:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
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TiTanFans200810/7/2008 11:14:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
I went on record months ago suggesting that Odom should be the sixth man and come off the bench. I am glad Phil and Charley are finally hip to this idea.
10/7/2008 8:58:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
To Rosen,<br /><br />Definitely one of your better articles.<br /><br />LukeWarmSword, his point on Cousy is not hyprocritical. He is saying that although his skill set would not have gotten him in the NBA, if he was in the modern era, he would have developed to become good enough in the NBA.<br /><br />Also, how can you say that Rosen cannot tolerate any comments against what he says? All he gets is negative criticism yet he doesn't say all you guys are idiots... like you guys do.<br /><br />He is biased often, but nonetheless, his last section was quite accurate, and he also has good anaylses when they are NOT predictions about which team is better/worse.
lakerz2410/6/2008 17:38:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
I say give the ball more to Odom more on fast breaks. No one in the west can stop him.<br /><br />Save a bunch of money on Auto insurance with help help insurance thru www.helphelpinsurance.com
GOLAKERS8-2410/6/2008 15:56:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
I think bringing Odom off the bench would be a great idea. Even before the Lakers snagged Gasol and even before Bynum was fully matured, Odom was somehow getting lost in the offense. Odom is a beast when hes on and motivated but it seems its only in a blue moon that he actually plays to his full potential. If he could accept his 6th man role and stay motivated this could easily be the extra boost the Lakers need. Although they are already pretty deep, it seems the 2nd unit sometimes becomes stagnant. With Odom coming off the pine, those awkward stagnant periods will be a thing of the past.
10/6/2008 15:44:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
Lamar would be great at the point..... It also frees up the lane For our 2 big guys...............
beedog3210/6/2008 14:25:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)
saying the celtics would beat a bunch of foreigners is not racist. Foreign is country of origin, not race. For instance an American can come from any number of races. <br />And seriously, NBA games are not all fixed like everyone thinks. I recommend everyone re read the last two paragraphs. This is out the window of course, if **** bavetta is on the court.
Dogmatix210/6/2008 10:00:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
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oliver198410/6/2008 9:04:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
But if you put the Celtics in Bobcats jerseys they wouldn't win a championship. Saying that the Celtics could beat any combination of foreigners, well, that is racist. <br /> Rosen really hates bad defenders, well, what if you did the same thing the other guy did but you were always called for the foul? Oh, right. There's no bias or fixing or rigging. So called "Bad defenders" are the same players that don't ever get favorable calls.
10/6/2008 7:52:00 AM(Report inappropriate content)
"But the most significant impediment to a deeper, more evenhanded understanding of sports is that most fans are totally invested in their loyalty to certain teams and certain players to the point where their own self-image and self-worth depend on the success and "goodness" of these players and teams. That's why so many fans cannot tolerate any comments that puncture their We're/I'm-Number-One fantasies, which is why so many fans are so eager to pounce on every mistake and erroneous prediction".<br />something that even Mr. Rosen does, as subtle as it may be.
LukeWarmSword10/5/2008 22:18:00 PM(Report inappropriate content)






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