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-- everybody I'm Bob Barr show along with David -- and Steve -- get ready -- -- another speed dot com Formula One round table Friday practice for the German Grand -- round -- of the season is now complete. Looks like it's going to be Red Bull vs Ferrari weekend but let's not get ahead of ourselves we'll start with Ferrari David winning the British Grand Prix in the hands of Fernando Alonso. Are they legitimately quick cure than. Ever grace well -- certainly would appear so relevant they. Alonso is quickest in the first practice. And Massa was -- and in the second Alonso was second in the second practice and -- I was fourth against them both because looking pretty Kuwait. And the Red Bulls -- mixed up their rhythm so it certainly doesn't look like the race is coming. Back towards Ferrari from Red Bull because dribbled the system massive lead in the construct is on the -- -- yet. It's going to be -- to make any ground and oversee. As you said earlier on another show what's good -- -- what's good for throughout the two former one of them I think everybody's going to be millions of fans and they want to see is red -- -- will see there's no question they have a massive someplace around the world everybody wants to for hours to do well. Even if an -- found a Ferrari they want -- to do well because is great competition for which every team that there's people frankly is that you're right whatever is good for Ferrari is good for full Milan. It has taken a Malone while together performance in the F 150 talent management changes changes to the wind tunnel. Big changes technically to pick off but whatever the reasons -- fell back on the hikes. They Alabama sudden it's pretty clear today that they renew it because everybody thought maybe at that. -- that -- -- -- -- flash in the -- because of the change in the blown -- the rules just full -- and not about Sonoma Bristol maybe Red -- will see when they left off but. Does He do I mean I still right there Red Bulls thought -- suddenly decide to -- it but it does look -- -- His -- -- that doesn't have enough rental or whether whether most of the front barrel their -- of Ferrari. How about consequence and it's worth remembering that they -- teams haven't been on this track for two years -- -- last -- German robbery. The last time they were here at the murdering for the German Grand Prix in 2009. There was in the car on the grid with a blown -- or the DRS and so on -- was there. But it's it's a very tricky racetrack with a setup of some of these corners and -- you know -- -- you just throughout your set up notes from here and there is some bumpy we've seen that you know previous years this year is certainly an exception if anything. It is worse so -- about maybe some zoo with the way the calls are being set up with a stiff with suspensions and at. Oldest if disciples in the currently ties are what we again next NASA it's going to be you know about may be something what we saw the that the the ripples over the track of Monaco as well be human highlight enough the fact that we just a different side will be different scientists. But you're right a very difficult track to set the car full. The way that suspension -- if you do get a frequency movement through the suspension vertically like that. It affects the Arab economic -- the -- to the cup the good -- percent to the economic efficiency comes from on the sock on Mexico's Lorena this now. And as you might expect when you haven't seen a racetrack in a while on the set ups are a little bit of of a guessing game. There were a lot of office today Michael Schumacher went off several top drivers went off nobody bigger however than Sebastian women who practically reached lower orbit. With this get off in practice one. Yeah and it's done turned five you crossed that -- extra. -- went to the very in the gravel and made a horrendous rallies another shot and Philadelphia old camera -- concept -- road. Come. Getting on to all sorts of horrible. You know angles and don't just think I would look to see that in the wind tunnel and we just talk about the economic efficiency underneath the -- a little bit of vibration. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- He was very lucky not to go on the roll there again just. You know a few more degrees once I guess underneath Butler the -- could've slipped. Yeah no question about it and at that same corner in a much less dramatic style is so Rubens Barrichello go off biko Ross Byrd went ripping through the grass and high rate of knots so. And very talented well. He millones because Michael Schumacher had a couple and Alonso and Schumacher had a -- go down the the Dunlop. Late trying to -- cut is too so. It was a fairly exciting that bunch -- -- -- really -- because the thing is you beat him with a medium and soft Garcia had an experimental soft as well. But it goes temperatures been pretty loved it and ran about sixty -- absolutely nit be for these racing to us to work again. -- is very cold that would record alone guys off guard goes up to -- mine it's Friday I'm not a good enough fuel out here but. With the way that the harvest on the coast system works I am brake bias. We do tend to seal -- a lot of guys going off just when that practicing playing around with breaking points. Whether you want to use that because system to generate that power into the -- That upsets the balance of the car as well also. Blue we see a lot of cars go off. I'm not saying his plans but it's the least the picks the session were you looking for those breaking points and if you do miss it. Just let the count got to pick it up the next lap and but look at that they've proven not and then set the car up said He electronics upset because system up to make the call most label. The well you know I I'm talking complete rubbish but let's see what happens well. -- is part of a -- -- tell becoming the only way you could test the limit is to test the limit. When the limit is when you slide off the road you exceed the toast the good drivers to say okay that's what it that is the limit and not -- -- -- -- -- Below that is not that never got off because and you never fun to limit Thompson could be right below limit all the time zone and in the. Our other I don't remember watching Michael Schumacher do exactly that not long after I left out of someone -- to draw and went for racing I was stunned at the exit off the tumble in Monica. Watching Michael come down into the new Belichick came back on the Friday. On the Thursday and lap after lap would get it wrong and go through the too though she carried him and it won't of what it was what can exactly describe in. Pick in the exact the last quarter of a -- to. -- breaking. Got into qualifying becomes fun then -- Mario Andretti always used to say yeah you're not gonna be. At your best at every single corner. So -- the important corners work on those and then you know basically just right off the other -- another big story -- coming into this event of course will be the Red -- teammates. Mark Webber and Sebastian battled very fast in Friday. Practice. One three in one session and 23 the other section from not mistaken. But the big question will be the team orders escapade two weeks ago in Britain where Mark Webber was told. Ignored. The instructions and then finally a baby instruction to stay behind Sebastien battle what will that mean coming into this week. I think of the man really. Not let -- by having those good out of -- that He felt after the -- take -- second spot with knowledge of the got a lead and it -- this would have been just taking second -- I mean -- knows that he's number two driver and that team and best -- certain -- that he's number one driver who now you know whether I certainly got tracks He likes is no doubt about it overseas He -- -- and He was He He won. Social Macias not from the -- That last year and two years ago and last time He had his first win here who went from Paul. So He obviously likes this track as well so you know He just might get the -- He just might win their -- I don't think your views in the leading position I don't think. That the team would say to him in let baffled by because Bethel has got such a massively. Improve these almost guaranteed to the championship already not quiet but he's way. Innings and most teams will not let yourself out of you don't it would. Yeah -- Gaza strategy whether or say well let's see -- moves -- from. McLaren in the past let's see who's leading into the first corner. Then hope position let's see what happens after the first pistol let's -- the this up the second pit stop you have to have an agreement going into the rise and fall about strategy. You can't at the very last minute deciding -- I I'm just -- team orders and do what I want but doesn't play out and unfortunately for -- Have a great -- of respect among because is very forthright and as a genuine character when He moral I was in Formula One mobile but He has blotted his copy book up and down the -- and you cannot ignore. Management decisions He doesn't well. Now well. The weather should be a factor they say it's gonna rain on Sunday but we've got a lot coming your way before then so -- to stay with speed and fox throughout the entire German Grand Prix weekend Formula One debrief Friday night or Saturday morning if you like at 2:30 AM eastern Friday night. At 11:30 Pacific time. And it re airs at 7 AM on Saturday followed by. Qualifying for the German Grand Prix live on speed beginning at 8 AM eastern time. The GP two series will be in action at the nerve agreeing in those cars are really quick around this racetrack check it out at 6 AM eastern 3 AM Pacific. And of course the Grand Prix of Germany fourth and final round to appear on fox at noon eastern but check your local listings in case -- -- at another time. Where you -- that's it for now stay with us all weekend long on speed and fox for Formula One and GP two. David Hobbs and Steve match it on Bob Marcia will see around the web.