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Your first interview for the head coaching job what was the first interview you have it was a with the Cleveland Cavaliers -- -- -- I. When I was in San Antonio went from there to in the end is such -- head coach and in after my -- and Indiana had two interviews. First when I was with Atlanta Hawks in the second one was with the Toronto Raptors. And they are both great experiences obviously I didn't get the job. What I was thankful for going through them and then when practically to -- for my second year and it in the net. Here I am wondering -- -- which was the Cleveland Cavaliers what was your experience like with the Cavaliers tremendous success. Trip to the finals. And in also coaching a superstar but it yeah he was a superstar let's face it coming out of high school right on the cover of Sports Illustrated. The -- and quite experience been terrific experience and I couldn't ask for anything better especially coaching. Like Ron at the time you know he was definitely the -- you're destined to break out and have some successful one for on both ends of the floor. He was hunger hunger in him and willing to learn. And so. Going through that with him -- young age and having some savvy veterans around to help out through the process and Ben Wallace and Zydrunas Ilgauskas or Anthony Parker. Really really helped me out there -- -- a lot of positives in my time Cleveland obviously. We didn't have to redeem when the championship by we we came close a couple of times. You know what the -- job opens up and it's it's a dream opportunity right. But and anybody in the outside with the school course you can take the Lakers job you have a family you have two sons Elijah and Cameron. A typical really wasn't treatment -- It was typical than the Lakers I had a few teams have spoken to a couple of -- any interest in. And you know the Lakers were the last team to so to me. In. You know the tough part about it is I told both my boys. -- and Cameron that if they. Made it to Tenkrat someplace then we would let them in these -- and it made it tough to. -- pull them out of school Cameron he's young guy who's going in the ninth grade anyway so he would figured out what. -- it was tough to pull them out and try to find its cool that we did that he would be like a lot and which in turn would make me feel better. I was -- Now I know you've been asked to talk about Kobe Bryant. By the conversations that you had when you got hired him you know he was going on record as saying he wanted to Brian Shaw. Tell me about how many times you talked to -- leading up to the season. You know we talked a handful of times we met in person twice they were great conversations sometimes. Just talk about his family -- -- we just talk about my family. -- two times that we met face to face we had a very good opportunity to speak fastball and we spoke about my philosophies on both been there before. He spoke about some of the stuff that he went through last year obviously I had a chance to watch film and so I knew from the things that you thought -- that. Sure he used some of the things I was talking about but you know -- Told me there is that he likes the ball in and how I like to hear -- there -- actually now. What I envision our team going and how. That would happen for him in those sweet spots one before offensively and then we will -- talk about what we do as a team. As a team and individually on the defense in the before even. -- point -- when he came up to the practice facility to meet me we won on before. For about a good 45 minutes just the two of us walking through quite a bit. Is it difficult to coach a superstar and and what you think it's going to be like coaching. Kobe Bryant perhaps that have been on them most famous basketball player in history of the game. And you would apply just look at it is you know you want him refer back to. Things that I learned from pop one thing another thing that he taught me that bill was told me over the you know if Tim Duncan allows -- coach them. And -- you know I think about definitely well -- it. You know popped selfless enough to say that are that that group of people and -- about -- -- Mike Brown. But he's been able to do that -- and in which is some truth and so going in with with LeBron. You know I've established relationship with him. And obviously and it's just a relationship of respect. Which I thought eventually turn into a relationship -- trust and and it's no different Soviet made. You respect level I think initially it was moment he's a good guy I don't think I would like. Bought little things are true there's a level respect because we both have one goal in mind and in time. That respect will turn into trust that well with him to overhaul and -- help -- organization when those championship.