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A pivotal day in the dispute putting the NFL season in jeopardy. Attorneys for the owners and players making opening arguments in an appeal that will determine whether the players actually get back to work. Steve Brown live with more for us tell us what's at stake today. Well whether or not this lockout that the owners instituted towards the players can continue awarded day 83 now by the way. The argument essentially goes like this the players decertified the union the players they're four and they're four alleged that the owners are -- to individually negotiate with all 700 plus. Future players of the 2011 season. But the owners say wait a second you folks had a union you decertified you're union. And only did so because things were going while the negotiating table so therefore decertified the union is a sham that's what the federal judges are up to. Today you do to determine whether or not. The decertification. Of the NFL players association was indeed proper or just merely eight tactic. If the lockout can no longer go on if it goes against the owners and the owners would have the possibility of the Justice Department nipping at their heels because if there's no union than they should be getting on with the business of preparing for the next season which clearly they're not doing John. Why are they still negotiating. They are as a matter of fact and it was going to be a private off the record session but. Some enterprising reporter discovered that out in saint Charles Illinois which is west to Chicago. There was a two day session led by federal judge Arthur -- from up in Minneapolis. Who led in mediation session were told by the hotel's owner that sometimes. The owners owners group and the players group met separately apart from each other sometimes they dined together sometimes they met together. What happened during those sessions isn't being discussed the NFL releasing a joint statement yesterday saying that everything is confidential so. This status quo remains the same the NFL season is in jeopardy. Well let's hope -- they get it fixed because the way I think we all want to watch our football this this fall will have been times Steve thank you.