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Different ways to so thank -- is a little's quieter than -- on -- both great competitors. By look at those two guys have a certain guys that look at massive blow really like to play those guys. I think Santana Carpenter those kind of players that's also is an afternoon game. It's just has all of those that old time feel lots of guys slugged and out. Let's see who's best and its Mets Cardinals and you know you know about that all the all too well it's it's still has that feel when these two teams because. He has a final would -- in the broadcast last night and you aren't going to trivia questions about the Cardinals. On the you know everything about it is they're about to eighties versus the Cardinals they really had that great back and forth. And maybe is not the same anymore of course because the schedule -- play each other as much but. Going to -- those days I think those Cardinals teams made us better and I think it's constantly made them back exactly right what do you what do you remember most. About the -- the Cardinals -- in the Mets the eighties when you guys faced yet only chocolate Jack Clark piece of Nagano as. I think the speed. You know and started the season with three consecutive. Hundreds sole basis are more. Willie McGee of course wasn't quietly known -- people say in those books for us as soon realize how good of a player he was. And he became -- friend of -- later so it's nice to get enormous human being. But they just and they've had pitchers who threw strikes and made all the plays defensively with Ozzie. And they just didn't give you anything like you have the tape the game away from them they would never give you an extra out and and sometimes -- positive -- You know those rivalries from -- 8586. And they some associated five it is somewhat fantastic this talk about your book guy you told me it's doing very well I would describe the book too because I know it's not exactly like all the other books yeah and is probably only book written about the about sometimes the -- sodas and salacious -- one thing. And secondly you know set up well with nine innings as nine different -- that I pitched or I have witnessed by watching. Doing the job I do which is so working on the broadcast for the Mets. And just talking about what happens. It's really in -- to the craft of pitching. That many guys come through their -- say if the pitchers weren't so -- who'd never get ahead. I know I'm not -- that I know would not all -- so really it was I don't know much of the of the craft pitching how difficult to compete. And at the same time. It was really to try to bring fans out on the mound and how lofty -- amount can be and how boy there's someplace to hide the other times it's the only game. Where the manager can give you the ball and trust you with going on the doesn't -- win but at some point if you're not doing so well to come to the mound -- that honor from view. And to a cascade of boos as you walk off give that honor to someone else I don't think there's any other sport like that even a hockey -- to -- public.