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From college to your first job in the NBA it was a video coordinator with -- not correct. Or did you have a gym and on the job for me I was comes in unpaid intern for the nationals yet fast and in that turned into video coordinator how did you get. Involved and odds on my last trip we run going last trip of the US the -- trip and I stopped by. Coaching office and on on call when his coffee table was you vs San Diego magazine. And on the cover with a picture burning -- staff. And you know when I went to USC was the only -- and so I'm like don't know what -- -- that the staff. On one coverage -- assuming you just didn't fit. And I knew Bernie and he was an -- mind -- he had success in the NBA at the time. He was with the Denver Nuggets but he you've got it in play and that Americans -- -- there was some some ties there that I thought it could possibly happen I. -- drag on to one in being in my entire life and -- was when I was in junior college and with the pre season game with the Phoenix Suns by accident that was. A third call. For this pre season game and my -- and I got two tickets I don't know much about the game but I did know about earnings I've read the oracle. And you know mobile always from Kentucky I think you went to junior college in Cleveland. And he ended up. Playing collegiate -- San Diego. So he gets done plain and humorous San Diego and here I am I could imagine. What it was like back then but it so surprisingly with him coming from Kentucky and -- -- in that there. He plays really gets done and start his coaching career there approaching mentioning at the time was a clipper at least practicing UST burning became friendly. One of the assistants with Casey Jones. Casey has done Washington brings Burnett is assistant and he would have success in Washington important championship train with the bullets. -- go from there going Seattle and then -- I was just enamored with with the story with Ernie his whole process. So when I saw my coach that coached you know anybody in -- -- -- internship with this summer because I still after that fourteen year passed away at its best left school I was just gonna come back and finish up and try to get into -- -- -- UST in and help out with the basketball team out there the whole time. And I think that -- Brian Vickers. You know we know party so yeah it's just as it can call and ask him like an internship. The event or anything we don't have any money for young probably come on out so well in the summertime don't know anybody. Thoroughly enjoyed it back into the -- called me into his office. And I think that he's only young but that was my name goes on. We like talking to -- I think what's happening goes video coordinator. Answered really and I go -- Burnett can't take it in the you know anybody would want to take this as well. My parents. All the past finished college I got a half a semester left and -- need to do it would tell -- -- -- at Denver university. Told Mike -- because. Samuel still paying for my twisted. Always which will go back anyone could be back here I think about -- -- fifteen. And -- -- wrecked by December 15 if you do. The job is yours will hold the assistant coaches will do -- work and the job -- tell me about the stuff from video coordinator. The first time you know somebody told you know what we want -- on the staff. But if you're a very interesting climate. Brian Vickers fifth and -- in them again and guard -- And when they -- us -- hate them but in which worked hard on my predictions or wherever he goes in the summertime work guys out. Will pay for as an organization so you can get better you can be my anger and so he allowed me to followed her -- around for many years. And as time went on one. Working with our team credibility taught me a lot -- and then Burnett allowed -- to start work with the players on the floor. Well worn many hats Iran UK -- for the community relations -- -- pretty popular video stuff. Who worked are guys out as a player development coach next Qatar coach for a summer league team. Bernie gets the job in in Washington as a coach with the Wizards and he brings me is number two assists in the pick of the time -- 27 years old and and you know he's like against my work ethic and when I was going for the organization then room so he brings new ones and coaches and and then you know again. I knew a couple of times but I was going to be or retire after I got and then and I'll never forget I signed two year deal eighty -- and I degree and I was like. I told my wife at the Thomas today you know after this contract is over and one -- work here. -- -- -- -- -- It was your next stop to San Antonio after that happens and lost serve for three years and then. After that. With the San Antonio Spurs for three years obviously I've heard a lot about how much Greg Popovich. Meant to you and how much you word. As as head coach from him to sack as a person article about you David. Do you through anyway he was remarkable not. Not only on the floor from a coaching aspect that I learned a lot of them. But all before two and he you know he -- What he believes in there and you know by -- he stands right by the Family Guy he's not a guy you know. You -- a lot of different ways to look at you know you can say that they have an office from. For him till midnight every day and you you might have success all Americans are guys that are. Coaches or me and gave it that operate that way but Papa again it's today. I'm not looking over anybody so you go to work done and go home spend time with the family and he he inner tubes that aspect in this business to me because he has a Family Guy and he does leave not only. Being a Family Guy with with him and his family at home but also in making sure that the integrated within your job what you do to make that. Really part of the culture but he's a guy. May not be the best -- -- -- don't know causes a lot of great at Sonoma but I think our position the biggest thing that you have to be it would do you have to -- -- -- people. And you have a lot of different guys with a lot of different views of how they should be whether it's home for all before and so you have to manage those different. Personalities and pop will make. The best player which is Tim Duncan feel just as important as the 5015 player in vice Versa if they don't -- One is above and everybody knows that if there is a pecking order and you can feel that but. He makes everybody feel included and that's that's -- view would do in terms of managing managing people at this level. And that's why I believe he has he's had -- success we've had. Your first interview over the head coaching job what was the first interview how -- was -- with the Cleveland Cavaliers are limited no life at. When I was in San Antonio went from there to India is such -- -- and in after my first you're in the two interviews. First when I was with the Atlanta Hawks and the second one was with the Toronto Raptors. And very reasonable rate experiences obviously I didn't get it out. But. Thankful for point through them and then when practically to India for my second year and it in the next year I've -- -- -- -- from the Cleveland Cavaliers. What was your experience like with the Cavaliers tremendous success. Trip to the finals. And -- also coaching a superstar but it you know he was a superstar let's face it coming out of high school right on the cover of Sports Illustrated. The -- been quite an experience. They're -- terrific experience and I couldn't ask for anything better especially coaching. Guy like -- at the time you know he was definitely ready you're destined to break out and have some successful not won before on both ends of the floor. He was hunger hunger in him and willing to learn and and so going through that with him at a young age and having some savvy veterans around to help out through the process and Ben -- and -- the -- it's Anthony Parker. Really really helped me out there there were a lot of positives and what time Cleveland obviously. We didn't have which weaving when the championship by we we came close a couple of times.