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The -- -- we here at Caesars palace. Jerry Eisenberg doctor area thanks for them yet thank you thank you haven't well I don't wanna start weird. -- because you work at the media forefront. In defending my commonality. When he disobeyed his draft orders. When he was a very unpopular figure yourself when you were working for the starlet and oddly exciting for the New York apparently. And Howard Cosell got post on TV. Is that a coincidence. That three Julius guys defended the angry Muslim black. Well you know when you win the -- -- your tour he would kill ritual but it's out there. I don't know if that's true I guess I I know that one thing that I know that might. Even very happy and in. I think it's and it's it's an ethical thing obviously but it's more than that. It isn't defending prominently. What -- -- theory that is it. When I wouldn't care -- sentiment -- town -- Attribute in this country -- it. And they were having debates from the congressmen senators -- and -- and Angel Alvin Barkley who later president. Where is. That he's speaking and he argument the constitution. They're saying it's usually he's the constitution in his nine years. You're living -- ways usually if people put it out of dusty -- there was -- -- new constitution. Between now visual. I mean I wouldn't even depend in my -- little -- -- like him a little. Whereas in this era to make it to review is meant to -- -- For look at it was involved in the nation of Islam. A group that had that problem would you people had a problem like people I think it's very powerful and Jiri closely know that sites that -- -- You know it's it's. It. All too often. We become casual. About the nature. Of that relationship -- black relationships down the years I've become cares about it from time to time and not really given it. The weight. And the recognition. That it deserves. But. Says -- So many of the walls. Chase and blacks. -- always. Also been chasing you. Not just with an American politics but in the European context as well. And sold. It's not that it was a natural alliance called it still took courage vision inside. And in this particular instance given the reputation of the nation this long. And given some of the things that some of its most outspoken advocates were saying particularly about shoes. It took tremendous. Courage our schools so -- -- -- out and say right is right. Even if it's may not be the best in starts. To test. Oh right so I think we we simply have to acknowledge that. Jerry. People today -- on while he's probably the most beloved athlete in the world. Take us back -- rules and you have to remember how he was this that was the total opposite of what we see today. He was the devil incarnate. But do you do you think about it as more people -- Hewitt and -- was in my opinion. Aren't more people so that. Then there one who became instinct which you believe me we're not used to -- I don't know. And another group he became the double and but it was so vitriolic. So violent. I think -- I wrote about it but nobody here kickers that you'd like -- it -- triple. Although his problem would just like -- -- only hear me black people well the the -- back a ways. People forget. That before. 967 when -- legions that -- People have already begun to grow tired of that show. He would come out of Louisville he was called Louisville -- The Kentucky home. And that act had grown old the way that acts of some of the dads and professional football and basketball today girl's little ends that were already a lot of people who didn't like him. But called active -- -- point of -- his purses had to go on the drop. Book calls people they came to see -- rules and after it became clear that he wasn't bottles and he wasn't fighting. Fighters of his caliber his -- began to drop but then this issue came up. -- Vietnam and it wasn't. Just bad. He was concerned about consciences objection initially. Initially he was wondering why did they change. My status because he had been. Barton ability their difficulties there the -- through those please -- it you mean I'm sitting here. Working out -- a museum taken hits to bitching and all of a sudden my acute than in -- thirty or forty points a matter of bringing him. And a lot of people felt it was calls he would change his name and affiliated with the most. But then when he did not step forward. In terms of the draft a lot of people who -- once of a very controversial and increasingly unpopular war. Rallied around him as a hero he'll embrace that under the rubric. Of conscientious objection and now. He began to -- more relevance more resonance what -- -- population hole in the Utley had really grown tired of the neck so he was already unpopular. Those who didn't like him at that time and were. And time. Anti war movement not really hated those who. That is gang you know this this does Louisville -- act and -- He steps forward and takes a significant stand -- anyway equipment let me reevaluate this. That split was not just between black and white is not it was within black society cause a lot of people salt. Saddles and visions of Jack Johnson somebody who just don't total -- pass that -- And alienated to -- people. Many of whom blacks we're trying to persuade it in a particular direction growth of the civil rights. You know when -- when -- Here's a guy anymore program will virtual. Gonna bring your view which I think -- night and Wednesday countries objector the year -- examiner reported by the -- Plus there's an FBI report. The game and are always queen's -- in one case in or American history that I know. The examiner which a guy -- Walter Grambling. Which -- retired Republican who improved judge. Who shot where that he came -- -- -- -- that it hit this man is it conscientious objector and sent it that way anyway. They overruled him. I'm on -- -- average of Schilling for -- did. And I tell these stories about -- who -- me to -- -- going like this going like this we cut for commercial. Ground -- -- on the phone. We put him on speak background it's done ground that he centers on the phone and assurances. Rosters. Through it matters aside. They didn't know what I've -- to why people would not even speak to him. And it's a disgrace. And that's how I'm going to tell accurate one ground to be here over another reason. That's what you -- and again that's how badly they overruled and they took via via report. -- do because we're here at season's. Because this is. The only fight that some people really remember volleys. In it was a tragedy well you know we're there yet. Ali obviously had many great fights the problem in the -- fights. But a lot of people remember him for what happened here at Caesars palace. That was attract. In my recollection people argued with me but I think Nolan back -- -- take -- -- which it. I don't record and throwing a punch you poured it completely I do not recording going to play. I should this -- and I I've -- had a great feeling for because we've been to a lot of things together. He's gonna get hurt but he's gonna get hurt forever. Richards deal he refereed. I did that one thing but I British business -- two years old man. Only once in my view I'll -- it rewards my composure to prepare. I stood up in the fourth or fifth round and I yelled that we could steal where Corey Richards adopted him like you gonna get a man killed. Now the right it wouldn't I -- it sat down again but I mean that's how badly. Missed here and. There was the -- -- maybe longer memories or people who didn't seem in his prime is -- -- the greatest -- the greatest heavyweight of all time. You don't -- boxing. Is a combination of art. Science. And path Lepsis pure athletics field. And when you look at art. You've got to go back to -- rounds. When you look at science. You go back to an art Timor where you go back to Jew. When you look at -- let us is just sheer atlases. As one man stands by himself. Well that's. That hand eye coordination that -- speed and that's -- but when you look at the artistry. When you look at his. Understanding. Of boxing. His status as a student of boxing. You have to say. That he was the greatest of all time where they're harder punches yet but they were not artist on sciences I mean dark form. Hit harder probably than any man in history of boxing but he wasn't artists those scientists now -- was. What do people that dance more and it was quick and -- pretty at a look at. I mean I would rather look at Hillary Robinson and look at recent call. But he did he wasn't this either -- that he didn't have. That oral when he stepped into the ring as great as he loves so when you put the whole thing together I think that Ali would -- not just as the greatest. Boxer. Of all time I think he would probably rank. As the greatest athlete of all time given. The demands. Of his sport. You can talk about basketball players being the greatest athletes for the sat and speed and hand eye coordination but no matter that they're going outside he would. At every out moment. And so I would say that -- lead. Is is the greatest athlete. Most certainly in our lifetimes. Prop -- most certainly of the twentieth century and it would be hard for me to imagine. Unless we have an interplanetary invasion of some type of four a greater athlete. To surface and so bat him in the kind of climate he would have some lab and today. Want to thank both of you. You've really add to this discussion we have some clarity in some depth to our policies and thank you very well thanks for having me thank you.